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 Post subject: Re: Fulfilled Prophecy?
PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 12:19 am 
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The Wikipedia page says this:

"Elohim (אֱלֹהִ֔ים) is a grammatically singular or plural noun for 'god' or 'gods' in both modern and ancient Hebrew language."

This is backed up by two sources on the wiki page. Both are experts in Hebrew. One, a Lewis Glinert, has a PhD. in Linguistics and is a professor of Hebrew at Dartmouth.

Get it?

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 Post subject: Re: Fulfilled Prophecy?
PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 9:53 pm 
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You really don't understand Hebrew at all, try reading this. Clearly you don't understand Judaism either. I've read enough of your post to know that you're hopeless, so go on blindly believing the lies spoon fed to you by the church if you like.


Just sit back and enjoy the comedy routine Kittens. I sure am.

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 Post subject: Re: Fulfilled Prophecy?
PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 10:00 pm 
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That's all the chaff you can add Grin?!? I quoted from a well respected PHD, and I also gave many other quotes! Youre just here giving more trash talk!!!


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 Post subject: Re: Fulfilled Prophecy?
PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 10:09 pm 
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:lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Fulfilled Prophecy?
PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 10:14 pm 
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"Fools mock"!!!


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 Post subject: Re: Fulfilled Prophecy?
PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 11:38 pm 
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I quoted a PhD as well. I also presented the argument that sides with the consensus among Biblical scholars, those that study the Tanach and the lay people of Christianity and Judaism.

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 Post subject: Re: Fulfilled Prophecy?
PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 11:46 pm 
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grindael wrote:
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You really don't understand Hebrew at all, try reading this. Clearly you don't understand Judaism either. I've read enough of your post to know that you're hopeless, so go on blindly believing the lies spoon fed to you by the church if you like.


Just sit back and enjoy the comedy routine Kittens. I sure am.


Sometimes I wonder if this is really someone's idea of a joke.

If so, they put a lot more time and effort into it than I would.

Its painfully obvious that gdemetz doesn't have a leg to stand on. Yet gdemetz claims victory in every post without reading any of the opposition's sources, without citing anything, and claiming to have provided many sources while no such sources have been cited...

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 Post subject: Re: Fulfilled Prophecy?
PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 12:24 am 
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Kittens_and_Jesus wrote:
Its painfully obvious that gdemetz doesn't have a leg to stand on. Yet gdemetz claims victory in every post without reading any of the opposition's sources, without citing anything, and claiming to have provided many sources while no such sources have been cited...


So you're saying he's an apologist?

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 Post subject: Re: Fulfilled Prophecy?
PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 7:04 pm 
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Drifting wrote:
Kittens_and_Jesus wrote:
Its painfully obvious that gdemetz doesn't have a leg to stand on. Yet gdemetz claims victory in every post without reading any of the opposition's sources, without citing anything, and claiming to have provided many sources while no such sources have been cited...


So you're saying he's an apologist?


Bingo.

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 Post subject: Re: Fulfilled Prophecy?
PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 11:09 pm 
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How incredibly dumb!!! This is from your own quote:

"...singular or PLURAL noun for 'god'..."!!!!!!!!!!!!


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 Post subject: Re: Fulfilled Prophecy?
PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 12:33 am 
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gdemetz wrote:
How incredibly dumb!!! This is from your own quote:

"...singular or PLURAL noun for 'god'..."!!!!!!!!!!!!


This whole argument is based around you not being able to admit that "elohim" can be singular.

Talk about dumb, now you're contradicting yourself.

I'll spell it out once more.

It obvious you didn't read my sources.

They explain that "elohim" is singular when it is about the God of Abraham because it is attached to verbs conjugated in the singular form and adjectives that imply singularity. When "elohim" is used to refer to plural gods (pagan gods) then verbs conjugated in the plural form and adjectives used to describe plural nouns are used.

I'm guessing you don't speak more than one language and that's why this is so confusing for you.

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 Post subject: Re: Fulfilled Prophecy?
PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 9:13 am 
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singular or PLURAL noun for 'god


Yes SINGULAR or plural, depending on the grammar. It's like the word "eyeglasses". It can be singular or plural: "Gdemetz probably needs eyeglasses, because he has trouble comprehending, and it might be because his vision is blurry." Then when he goes to the eyeglasses store, he might be asked, "Which of these eyeglasses to you want to buy so that you can better comprehend what you are reading?" Same word but two different meanings because it can be both plural or singular depending on the sentence structure. In Hebrew, when referring to the Hebrew God, Elohim is always SINGULAR, just like when you are referring to one pair of eyeglasses, it is always singular.

And Elijah said unto the prophets of Baal, Choose you one bullock for yourselves, and dress it first; for ye are many; and call on the name of your gods (אֱלֹהֵיכֶ֔ם), but put no fire under. ~1 Kings 18:25 (plural possessive elohim, your gods) And it came to pass at noon, that Elijah mocked :lol: them, and said, Cry aloud: for he (ה֔וּא) is a god (אֱלֹהִ֣ים); either he is talking, or he is pursuing, or he is in a journey, or peradventure he sleepeth, and must be awaked. ~1 Kings 18:25-28 (singular possessive elohim, he god)

Elijah was no fool. And there you have two lessons with one quotation.

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 Post subject: Re: Fulfilled Prophecy?
PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 9:33 am 
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grindael wrote:
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And there you have two lessons with one quotation.

Lesson to gdemetz?

He learned everything up to his 6th birthday, and is continuously forgetting since then.
We see the leftover.

BTW quotation? It is YOUR quotation. He has none.

Moreover, we should report 2/3 of his comments, because they don't fit to celestial.
You now, the forum for "scholarly, polite, and respectful discussions"

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 Post subject: Re: Fulfilled Prophecy?
PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 8:31 pm 
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BTW quotation? It is YOUR quotation.


I know.

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 Post subject: Re: Fulfilled Prophecy?
PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 10:20 pm 
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I did not state that! I stated that Elohim was plural for God, which it is, and it is definitely NOT always singular! How dumb! How many quotes do I need to give here?!?


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 Post subject: Re: Fulfilled Prophecy?
PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 10:34 pm 
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gdemetz wrote:
I did not state that! I stated that Elohim was plural for God, which it is, and it is definitely NOT always singular! How dumb! How many quotes do I need to give here?!?


You haven't provided a single link. I have provided many. Elohim, when referring to the God of Israel is always the singular form in the Tanach. You haven't provided a single source that refutes that.

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 Post subject: Re: Fulfilled Prophecy?
PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 11:02 pm 
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Kittens, you are so hard headed! You probably argue with yourself! Even the Catholic Encyclopedia states: "Elohim is the common name for God. IT IS A PLURAL FORM, but the usage of the language gives no support to the supposition that we have in the plural form Elohim, applied to the God of Israel..."

Even though they admit that Elohim IS PLURAL, The reason the are confused about this is that believe in the stupid "trinity" doctrine, and that don't understand that Christ ALONE is the God of Israel!!!


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 Post subject: Re: Fulfilled Prophecy?
PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 11:23 pm 
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gdemetz wrote:
Kittens, you are so hard headed! You probably argue with yourself! Even the Catholic Encyclopedia states: "Elohim is the common name for God. IT IS A PLURAL FORM, but the usage of the language gives no support to the supposition that we have in the plural form Elohim, applied to the God of Israel..."

Even though they admit that Elohim IS PLURAL, The reason the are confused about this is that believe in the stupid "trinity" doctrine, and that don't understand that Christ ALONE is the God of Israel!!!


I don't believe in the God of Abraham. I have no dog in this fight.

I make my argument from the perspective of a person with a passion for language and a knowledge of the LDS theology.

Did you read what you quoted? I think not. You didn't cite it properly and you don't seem to understand it.

Did you read a single link that I referred you to? Obviously not.

Elohim is used in a singular form when referring to the God of Abraham in the Tanach and used in a plural fashion when referring to the gods of the pagans. I'm getting sick of explaining that to you.

Try and provide one source that references the original Hebrew that proves otherwise.

I'm not going to hold my breath, because I know there isn't one or else you would have provided it already.

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 Post subject: Re: Fulfilled Prophecy?
PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 11:27 pm 
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[non-Celestial language deleted]! You don't know LDS theology or languages! You [non-Celestial language deleted]! How many quotes will it take stating that it is a PLURAL form before you wake up?!?


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 Post subject: Re: Fulfilled Prophecy?
PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 11:44 pm 
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gdemetz wrote:
You are dense! You don't know LDS theology or languages! You see the sun shining, and yet you say that it is not shining! How many quotes will it take stating that it is a PLURAL form before you wake up?!?


You haven't provided a single link, I have provided many.

Where are your sources?

Cite?

Call for reference?

Well?

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 Post subject: Re: Fulfilled Prophecy?
PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 9:08 pm 
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Are you even bothering to read all my references?!? The last reference I gave was from the Catholic encyclopedia!


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