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 Post subject: Are the FLDS Mormons...?
PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 12:54 am 
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On another thread I posted this:

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So, Mormon's are Christians even though; they don't believe in the Christ of traditional Christianity; they believe God was once a man; that there are many many Gods with multiple wives; and that we can also become Gods over our own planets.

But, the FLDS aren't Mormon's even though they believe in exactly the same restoration of exactly the same Gospel by exactly the same Prophet with exactly the same scriptures as the LDS.


I thought I had it correct but gdemetz stated:

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Of course, they are "Mormons" also, but they do not belong to The Church of Jesus Christ of LDS.


I thought The Church had categorically stated that the FLDS aren't Mormon's?

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 Post subject: Re: Are the FLDS Mormons...?
PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 6:52 am 
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The LDS church gets to decide who can call themselves Mormon, but gets huffy when Christians try to say who can call themselves Christian.

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 Post subject: Re: Are the FLDS Mormons...?
PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 7:01 am 
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Are the FLDS Mormons...?

what do you mean by "Mormons"?
Because that would determine any answer....especially the answer you, no doubt, want to read.

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&saf ... 20&bih=965

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 Post subject: Re: Are the FLDS Mormons...?
PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 7:44 am 
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subgenius wrote:
Drifting wrote:
Are the FLDS Mormons...?

what do you mean by "Mormons"?
Because that would determine any answer....especially the answer you, no doubt, want to read.

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&saf ... 20&bih=965


Here let me help you again.

Are the FLDS Mormons?

[ ] Yes
[ ] No

Tick which one you think is correct...

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 Post subject: Re: Are the FLDS Mormons...?
PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 8:38 am 
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Drifting wrote:

Here let me help you again.

Are the FLDS Mormons?

[ ] Yes
[ ] No

Tick which one you think is correct...


It's a classic dodge. Certainly many people can be referring to a particular church including the FLDS who are Mormons. Mormons are those who believe in Joesph as well as the Book of Mormon.

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 Post subject: Re: Are the FLDS Mormons...?
PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 8:49 am 
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President Newsroom helps us where subgenius can't...

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When referring to people or organizations that practice polygamy, the terms "Mormons," "Mormon fundamentalist," "Mormon dissidents," etc. are incorrect. The Associated Press Stylebook notes: "The term Mormon is not properly applied to the other ... churches that resulted from the split after [Joseph] Smith's death."


http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/style-guide

So, According to LDS Mormon's you are not Mormon if you follow a Church that isn't the Latter Day Saint Church. Okay, got it.

Hmmm...

Perhaps the Christian Churches should put a style guide of their own out.

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The term Christian is not properly applied to the other...churches that resulted from the split after [Jesus] Christ's death.

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 Post subject: Re: Are the FLDS Mormons...?
PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 8:55 am 
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This also from President Newsroom:

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When referring to Church members, the term "Latter-day Saints" is preferred, though "Mormons" is acceptable.


It seems the Church PR and Marketing Department didn't get the memo in time to stop their ''I'm a Latter Day Saint'' TV Campaign from being given the less preferable nickname for members of the Church...

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 Post subject: Re: Are the FLDS Mormons...?
PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 9:25 am 
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Drifting wrote:
Perhaps the Christian Churches should put a style guide of their own out.


well guess what, slick? they do:
Baptist
http://www.abc-usa.org/WhoWeAre/Identit ... fault.aspx
http://www.sbts.edu/media/publications/ ... ummer2.pdf
http://www.sbc.net/aboutus/psautonomy.asp
Methodist
http://www.umc.org/site/c.lwL4KnN1LtH/b ... _Roots.htm
http://archives.umc.org/interior.asp?ptid=2&mid=3558
http://www.umc.org/site/c.lwL4KnN1LtH/b ... ishops.htm
Presbyterian
http://store.pcusa.org/27390001
http://www.pcusa.org/resource/list/manu ... -policies/
Episcopal
http://episcopalchurch.org/page/public-affairs

....just a few examples


zzzzzz....huh?...i seriously think someone may have hijacked Drift's account...cause he usually "thinks it through", at least a little

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 Post subject: Re: Are the FLDS Mormons...?
PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 9:27 am 
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subgenius wrote:
Drifting wrote:
Perhaps the Christian Churches should put a style guide of their own out.


well guess what, slick? they do:
Baptist
http://www.abc-usa.org/WhoWeAre/Identit ... fault.aspx
http://www.sbts.edu/media/publications/ ... ummer2.pdf
http://www.sbc.net/aboutus/psautonomy.asp
Methodist
http://www.umc.org/site/c.lwL4KnN1LtH/b ... _Roots.htm
http://archives.umc.org/interior.asp?ptid=2&mid=3558
http://www.umc.org/site/c.lwL4KnN1LtH/b ... ishops.htm
Presbyterian
http://store.pcusa.org/27390001
http://www.pcusa.org/resource/list/manu ... -policies/
Episcopal
http://episcopalchurch.org/page/public-affairs

....just a few examples


zzzzzz....huh?...i seriously think someone may have hijacked Drift's account...cause he usually "thinks it through", at least a little


What's funny is that you went to all the time and trouble of finding all those links and posting them :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Are the FLDS Mormons...?
PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 9:28 am 
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Drifting wrote:
Come on subby, tick the box...

Are the FLDS Mormons?

[ ] Yes
[ ] No

Tick which one you think is correct...



Bumpety bumpety bump bump bump...

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 Post subject: Re: Are the FLDS Mormons...?
PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 9:32 am 
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Drifting wrote:
This also from President Newsroom:

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When referring to Church members, the term "Latter-day Saints" is preferred, though "Mormons" is acceptable.


It seems the Church PR and Marketing Department didn't get the memo in time to stop their ''I'm a Latter Day Saint'' TV Campaign from being given the less preferable nickname for members of the Church...

amateur

“The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints,” “Liahona,” “Book of Mormon,” and “Mormon” are trademarks of Intellectual Reserve, Inc.
http://www.lds.org/legal/terms?lang=eng

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 Post subject: Re: Are the FLDS Mormons...?
PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 9:35 am 
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subgenius wrote:
“The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints,” “Liahona,” “Book of Mormon,” and “Mormon” are trademarks of Intellectual Reserve, Inc.
http://www.lds.org/legal/terms?lang=eng


:surprised: Now this is interesting, because I thought it was God's Church...

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 Post subject: Re: Are the FLDS Mormons...?
PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 10:29 am 
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subgenius wrote:

“The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints,” “Liahona,” “Book of Mormon,” and “Mormon” are trademarks of Intellectual Reserve, Inc.
http://www.lds.org/legal/terms?lang=eng


They may claim it but they will never try to enforce it since they do not really have the rights to those names, and know they would lose in a court of law.

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 Post subject: Re: Are the FLDS Mormons...?
PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:30 am 
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Drifting wrote:
Drifting wrote:
Come on subby, tick the box...

Are the FLDS Mormons?

[ ] Yes
[ ] No

Tick which one you think is correct...


Bumpety bumpety bump bump bump...

you first, seems only fair
viewtopic.php?p=577691#p577691

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 Post subject: Re: Are the FLDS Mormons...?
PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:46 am 
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Drifting wrote:
On another thread I posted this:

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So, Mormon's are Christians even though; they don't believe in the Christ of traditional Christianity; they believe God was once a man; that there are many many Gods with multiple wives; and that we can also become Gods over our own planets.

But, the FLDS aren't Mormon's even though they believe in exactly the same restoration of exactly the same Gospel by exactly the same Prophet with exactly the same scriptures as the LDS.


I thought I had it correct but gdemetz stated:

Quote:
Of course, they are "Mormons" also, but they do not belong to The Church of Jesus Christ of LDS.


I thought The Church had categorically stated that the FLDS aren't Mormon's?


But subby, here's the original question that you have been unable to answer. Has the Church stated categorically that the FLDS aren't Mormons?

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 Post subject: Re: Are the FLDS Mormons...?
PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 12:03 pm 
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Drifting wrote:

But subby, here's the original question that you have been unable to answer. Has the Church stated categorically that the FLDS aren't Mormons?

actually the original question is in the thread title
BUMP
still.....seems only fair
viewtopic.php?p=577691#p577691

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 Post subject: Re: Are the FLDS Mormons...?
PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 12:05 pm 
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subgenius wrote:
Drifting wrote:

But subby, here's the original question that you have been unable to answer. Has the Church stated categorically that the FLDS aren't Mormons?

actually the original question is in the thread title
BUMP
still.....seems only fair
viewtopic.php?p=577691#p577691


You want me to answer the question I posed you before you will answer the question I posed you. Got it. :rolleyes:

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 Post subject: Re: Are the FLDS Mormons...?
PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 12:09 pm 
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The Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (FLDS Church) is one of the largest Mormon fundamentalist denominations[3][4] and one of the largest organizations in the United States whose members practice polygamy.[5] The FLDS Church emerged in the early twentieth century when its founding members left The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church). The split occurred largely because of the LDS Church's suspension of the practice of polygamy and its decision to excommunicate its members who would continue the practice.


Given that the FLDS actually maintain adherence to the original beliefs restored by Joseph Smith then they have the only legitimate claim on being called Mormons. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is a splinter sect formed when Brigham Young led a group of followers into apostasy.

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 Post subject: Re: Are the FLDS Mormons...?
PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 12:13 pm 
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The Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (FLDS Church) is one of the largest Mormon fundamentalist denominations[3][4] and one of the largest organizations in the United States whose members practice polygamy.[5] The FLDS Church emerged in the early twentieth century when its founding members left The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church). The split occurred largely because of the LDS Church's suspension of the practice of polygamy and its decision to excommunicate its members who would continue the practice.


Given that the FLDS actually maintain adherence to the original beliefs restored by Joseph Smith then they have the only legitimate claim on being called Mormons. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is a splinter sect formed when Brigham Young led a group of followers into apostasy.


Really, the FLDS represent true Brighamite Mormonism. They even believe in the Adam God doctrine. The RLDS, for a time, represented early Josephite Mormonism.

The mainstream LDS church's doctrine is really more influenced by thinkers like Talmage and McConkie, or at least was until recently.

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 Post subject: Re: Are the FLDS Mormons...?
PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 12:21 pm 
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Thanks Buff,

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Formerly known as the Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, this denomination regards itself as a reorganization of the church organized in 1830 by Joseph Smith, Jr., and it regards Joseph Smith III, the eldest surviving son of Smith Jr., to have been his legitimate successor. The church was "legally organized on April 6, 1830, in Fayette, New York".[19] The formal reorganization occurred on April 6, 1860, in Amboy, Illinois, as the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, adding the word Reorganized to the church name in 1872.


Good grief, the outfit in Salt Lake City even pinched their name let alone the claim on being called Mormon...

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 Post subject: Re: Are the FLDS Mormons...?
PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 12:38 pm 
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Drifting wrote:

You want me to answer the question I posed you before you will answer the question I posed you. Got it. :rolleyes:

no, you don't "got it"..... i simply wanted you to clarify your question, which you dodged, and still dodged for the obvious reasons.....obviously what you define as being "Mormon" may differ from another....the term can be as ambiguous as the term Christian.
That being said, are the FLDS Mormons?....in the broad sense...yes they are...but in the more specific and perhaps colloquial use....no they are not.

Obviously, the Temple Lot, CoJCoLDS, RLDS, and FLDS can reference themselves as "Mormons", if the only qualifier for that reference is that the Book of Mormon is recognized as official scripture.

Much like many churches are "Christian" through their use of the OT and the NT, but there are clear distinctions between being Catholic, Baptist, Methodist, or Presbyterian.
So, while we all sit back and watch your jester-like, but all to feeble, promotions of what "Mormon" really means - understand that you have no real point that you are able to make on this topic......as usual

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