As am I. It's way to easy to figure out this stuff.

If you read my statements carefully, I never stated that I accepted the Bartlet story as factual. I said that I had an open mind concerning that. However, I, like Christ, do believe in the miracle of Jonah and the great "fish." Which is harder to believe in; raising someone from the dead, healing a blind from birth, of keeping alive a man in a great fish? I suspect that you anti Christs do not believe in any of them anyhow.

Here is what you actually said...

Which really sounds as though you accepted the account...

So are you now saying that, after applying your open mind, you do not believe there is any evidence (other than the story of Jonah in the Bible) of men being swallowed by 'great fishes' and surviving?

He should have said there was a man that CLAIMED to have had . . . .

Hey, even Joseph Smith claimed there is a king's name in the Egyptian writing of Facismile No. 3 and we clearly can decipher that the claim is utterly false. So also is this business of holding one's breath in a whale for 3 days. It's a fairy tale. But believers seem to still need it and suck on it like a baby on its mother's breast. It's time to grow up, people!

Paul O

Drifting is right that you stated it as fact. I can understand that you might want to adjust that now that people have already shown that there is no evidence to confirm the claim, and since there are no natural processes that can make it possible, there is no reason to believe the event happened.



We don't know if he did, but so what. If he is just a man, then he probably believed a lot of stories told to him. You believe the stories you like.



Considering there is no evidence that any have happened why should I believe any of them. Why not believe the miracles you see from Greek stories or from Wicca. I am not sure how one is anti Christ for just asking questions and wanting evidence before believing unrealistic claims.

Some people just believe everything they read. Just because the bible says something doesn't make it true. The miracles discussed therein are claims written down by religious men who were creating and maintaining religion.

Jesus didn't really walk on water. That's all part of the drama! Who said they saw him walk on water? And you believe it? Where is the proof? How about a video film? It's purely a matter of faith on the part of those who wish to believe it today. They have no proof, just testimony from those who wrote about such things in effort to collect more followers.

Paul O

You are the one that brought that story up...own it and quit trying to backpedal now that you have been show how gullible you are...

You are correct, I don't believe in the parts of the bible that are obviously nothing more than hebrew mythology (especially magical stories about a man surviving for days in the belly of a "fish" because that was the best plan god could come up with to get him to obey...talk about ridiculous...). Its sad to me that you do.

In case you were wondering, I also don't believe in Scientology, greek mythology, the adventures of Harry Potter, and underpant gnomes...

What? Harry Potter is real. It's just that you muggle's don't know about his world.

Screech, you're a troll! I brought that up to get opinions here! I clearly stated that I had an open mind about that! Just go back and read that!!!

You should learn to close your mind to things that are almost certainly false.

For Jesus sake, gdemetz doesn't have to scream at Screech like that! This is the celestial board. I'm offended by that behavior in here. It's a good thing I have gdemetz on ignore. It's sad to see such rude behavior up here in the highest kingdom.



Paul O

Oh yeah? How about making a wooden boy into real boy??

Everything is easy in the world of fiction and 2000 year old rumor.

Do you realize how many thousands of miracle stories exist from all the world's religions?

Get a grip.

I'm honestly surprised this thread is still alive. The mind boggles.

Shhhh just me. We are all waiting for another gdemetz post about this with baited breath.

Besides Jonah and the whale (fish), other stories puzzle me. For example Jesus and the woman at the well. There were it seems just Jesus and the woman (the other women would have shunned her). How did this story get in the gospel. Did the writer interview the woman? Did Jesus dictate it? The other one is the temptation story. Just Jesus and Satan. How did that get recorded? Did the writer interview both?

The same problem exists with the birth narrative, among others. Oh, like the entire Genesis. Yeah, pretty much everything in the Bible...

That's what I'm saying. The whole bible is a bunch of heresay and shesay and hesay and theysay and themsay and soforth.

Paul O

I can only imagine how I would feel if my father or mother tossed me overboard with the intent to be swallowed up by a whale and suffer in it's belly for three days. That is a horrible form of child abuse and here we see the narrative of the bible shows that the God therein is an abusive horrible monster in the way he behaves and acts towards his so-called children. What kind of loving parent does that to a child? Bible writers depict God as a hot tempered demon bent on torture.

Paul O

Would Joshua be charged with crimes against humanity?

Moses was a murderer. He killed an Egyptian and buried him in the sand. Murder!

And we also see how Moses delighted in the shedding of so much blood as he set up his laws of sacrificing countless animals and butchering them for his pagan religious beliefs. Jehovah was a blood thirsty god that couldn't ever quench his thirst for more blood and the killing of innocent beings for his own sick pleasure. The Israelite religion was brutal and sadistic. Then we see how Christianity came and added to the sick teachings of killing innocent beings for the forgiveness of sins. What horrible cults, in my opinion. It's all about murder and killing.

Paul O

1) you might want to look up the meaning of "troll"...Just because I point out flaws in your belief system and show that you are a gullible, blind-faith believer of all things LDS, doesn't make me a troll. Sorry that its hard for you to hear.

2) here are your exact words:

"Interestingly, there was a man in modern times who had a similar experience (see "Swallowed by a Whale").

Hmmm. Looks like you are foolishly attempting to state a fact. Can you please show me where you solicited opinions? Again, just admit that you are sucker when it comes to faith promoting stories and quit the backpedaling, it makes you look desperate.

3) You have anything but an open mind...One would think that you would be a little more humble in your utter ignorance but I understand that christlike behavior is not something that I have come to expect from self appointed LDS defenders...