Jonah and the Whale

Drifting · **Joined:** Thu Oct 27, 2011 4:52 am **Posts:** 7308

gdemetz wrote:

That's a gross oversimplification and not accurate at all.

Feel free to correct it with links and references.

gdemetz · **Joined:** Fri Mar 23, 2012 11:59 am **Posts:** 1681

The example I gave from the Book of John was not taken from Mark's book. He performed at least thirty something miracles which are not all recorded in the Book of Mark.

Drifting · **Joined:** Thu Oct 27, 2011 4:52 am **Posts:** 7308

gdemetz wrote:

The example I gave from the Book of John was not taken from Mark's book. He performed at least thirty something miracles which are not all recorded in the Book of Mark.

Come on, links and references that show Mark was not the source material for the other Gospels.

gdemetz · **Joined:** Fri Mar 23, 2012 11:59 am **Posts:** 1681

I gave you one on the other topic, and there are many more.

Drifting · **Joined:** Thu Oct 27, 2011 4:52 am **Posts:** 7308

gdemetz wrote:

I gave you one on the other topic, and there are many more.

You see, this is why people don't take you seriously.
When it comes to the put up or shut up crunch you go all wishy washy and it becomes instantly clear that you are making claims that are based on what you want to believe rather than a solid foundation of substance.

Fine, don't give links and references (I really didn't expect you to).

gdemetz · **Joined:** Fri Mar 23, 2012 11:59 am **Posts:** 1681

All you have to do is look at the site I gave you, and it list many names and references there if you want to learn about that, but I don't think you do. You just want to do what FrankTalk warned me about; be a anti!

Drifting · **Joined:** Thu Oct 27, 2011 4:52 am **Posts:** 7308

gdemetz wrote:

All you have to do is look at the site I gave you, and it list many names and references there if you want to learn about that, but I don't think you do. You just want to do what FrankTalk warned me about; be a anti!

All you have to do is list the top five people that you think are credible.
You could if you had them, but I don't think you do.

You just want to do what various people have pointed out...troll...

gdemetz · **Joined:** Fri Mar 23, 2012 11:59 am **Posts:** 1681

I already gave you the reference that listed those people, TROLL!

Drifting · **Joined:** Thu Oct 27, 2011 4:52 am **Posts:** 7308

gdemetz wrote:

I already gave you the reference that listed those people, TROLL!

Come on, don't be coy.
List the five you think are most persuasive.

Themis · **Joined:** Wed Feb 17, 2010 12:43 pm **Posts:** 6039

gdemetz wrote:

All you have to do is look at the site I gave you, and it list many names and references there if you want to learn about that, but I don't think you do. You just want to do what FrankTalk warned me about; be a anti!

You do have a problem in this area, and many have told you. Try learning how to use the quote feature, and especially how to link other sites if you want reference a site. Once you learn how to link a site it would also be good to make sure you link to the specific parts of a site you think supports what you are saying.

gdemetz · **Joined:** Fri Mar 23, 2012 11:59 am **Posts:** 1681

Check out "Is the church really growing." I gave five references there.

just me · **Posted:** Tue May 08, 2012 9:56 pm

Themis wrote:

gdemetz wrote:

All you have to do is look at the site I gave you, and it list many names and references there if you want to learn about that, but I don't think you do. You just want to do what FrankTalk warned me about; be a anti!

You do have a problem in this area, and many have told you. Try learning how to use the quote feature, and especially how to link other sites if you want reference a site. Once you learn how to link a site it would also be good to make sure you link to the specific parts of a site you think supports what you are saying.

This!

Themis · **Joined:** Wed Feb 17, 2010 12:43 pm **Posts:** 6039

gdemetz wrote:

Check out "Is the church really growing." I gave five references there.

You're a lazy poster. Learn how to use the quote feature, and especially learn how to link other sites you want to reference like everyone else. I am not going to look up anything anymore for you, when it is everyone else's responsibility to provide a source. Now my advice is not just on this issue which I don't really care about. I do think the church is growing slowly right now. growing in the developing world slowly and maybe the US, but losing in most of the developed world these days.

gdemetz · **Joined:** Fri Mar 23, 2012 11:59 am **Posts:** 1681

Actually, the literal translation of the creature in question is "great fish," according to some commentaries. The time period was supposedly about the same time period that Christ was in the tomb (late Friday afternoon until Sunday Morning (the third day). Interestingly, there was a man in modern times who had a similar experience (see "Swallowed by a Whale").

schreech · **Joined:** Tue May 25, 2010 9:49 am **Posts:** 1417

gdemetz wrote:

Interestingly, there was a man in modern times who had a similar experience (see "Swallowed by a Whale").

Good elohim...please tell me you are not referring to the "Star of the East" story...I am thinking you and that goof, Zakuska (or something like that), over on the MDD board would get along famously...He uses childrens picture books to support his chosen set of LDS mythologies...

gdemetz · **Joined:** Fri Mar 23, 2012 11:59 am **Posts:** 1681

Star of the East? Anyhow, I gave the reference, and if can be shown to be a false story, I have an open mind. Please feel free to do so!

Bond James Bond · **Posted:** Thu May 10, 2012 2:49 am

gdemetz wrote:

(see "Swallowed by a Whale").

False (it was the Star of the East story referenced by Screech):

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/rea ... -and-lived

http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/n/newjonah.htm

(gdemetz I want to converse with you, but really you have to learn to back up your posts with links and learn to use the quote feature every time.)

Drifting · **Joined:** Thu Oct 27, 2011 4:52 am **Posts:** 7308

gdemetz wrote:

Star of the East? Anyhow, I gave the reference, and if can be shown to be a false story, I have an open mind. Please feel free to do so!

From one of the links given above...

Quote:

The result of Davis's research was that he could not find any credible evidence to support the James Bartley story.
In fact, he found evidence which made the story seem more questionable.
He checked out a report that Bartley had been treated at a London hospital for the effects of the whale's gastric juices on his skin, but could not find any substantiation for it.
When he read through the documents about the particular voyage during which the alleged whale incident happened, James Bartley was not listed as a crew member.

More damaging to the story was a letter written by the wife of the captain of the 'Star of the East,' Mrs John Killam.
The contents of her letter were published in 1907 in 'The Expository Times' by a reader who had corresponded with Mrs Killam about the whale story.
She said, "There is not one word of truth to the whale story. I was with my husband all the years he was in the Star of the East. There was never a man lost overboard while my husband was with her. The sailor has told a great sea yarn."

Gdemetz...over to you...

Shulem · **Posted:** Thu May 10, 2012 7:25 am

Look, no one is going to survive 3 days in a whale without food and drink. The acids will eat your skin and put you in shock. There is not enough air to breathe and the toxic waste from your own body would poison you. The whole thing is a ridiculous story made up by religious kooks in an age where electricity and the marvelous wonders of science were completely unknow.

Honestly, if you think you could survive in a whale -- go jump in the ocean and wait for one to swallow you up and see for yourself if you make it three days -- and pray all you want while doing so. Oh, I know, God can do miracles. Riiiiiiiight. Just forget the story and chalk it up as a religious faith promoting story to get people to toe the line.

And, get real, folks.

Paul O

Themis · **Joined:** Wed Feb 17, 2010 12:43 pm **Posts:** 6039

gdemetz wrote:

Star of the East? Anyhow, I gave the reference, and if can be shown to be a false story, I have an open mind. Please feel free to do so!

It looks like people have dealt with it again, but i suspect nothing short of absolute proof will suffice for you.

Now you have to be THE laziest poster I have seen. IF you cannot figure out how to use the quote and link features just ask, and some of us can help you.

schreech · **Joined:** Tue May 25, 2010 9:49 am **Posts:** 1417

Themis wrote:

It looks like people have dealt with it again, but i suspect nothing short of absolute proof will suffice for you.

Now you have to be THE laziest poster I have seen. IF you cannot figure out how to use the quote and link features just ask, and some of us can help you.

I am starting to think he knows how to post quotes and links but doing so would actually require him to find links that support what he chooses to believe. Its much easier to just ignorantly vandalize these boards with his LDS ingrained nonsense.

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