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 Post subject: Re: Fables vs. Restored Truths
PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 6:19 am 
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I stated that, "I am not saying that I believe in..." In other words, I was stating that I was not sure. I'm not sure that there was water that covered the entire world, but I do believe that there was a great flood which covered the land mass, and perhaps in some places more severe than others.


So you don't believe what the Church teaches then?
(That the whole earth was completely covered by water circa 2,300 bc and only Noah and his small family of about 8 people were saved.)

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 Post subject: Re: Fables vs. Restored Truths
PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 6:22 am 
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When it states earth, I think of it meaning, perhaps, the giant land mass only.


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 Post subject: Re: Fables vs. Restored Truths
PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 6:22 am 
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gdemetz wrote:
When it states earth, I think of it meaning, perhaps, the giant land mass only.


What giant land mass?

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 Post subject: Re: Fables vs. Restored Truths
PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 6:24 am 
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According to the Bible, the continents were not divided until the days of Peleg which was after the flood.


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 Post subject: Re: Fables vs. Restored Truths
PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 6:30 am 
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gdemetz wrote:
According to the Bible, the continents were not divided until the days of Peleg which was after the flood.


So you believe that the continents were one giant land mass up to and including 2,300 bc...really?

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 Post subject: Re: Fables vs. Restored Truths
PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 6:38 am 
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Yea, I'm one of those.


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 Post subject: Re: Fables vs. Restored Truths
PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 6:43 am 
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gdemetz wrote:
Yea, I'm one of those.


:surprised:

Well this explains everything...

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 Post subject: Re: Fables vs. Restored Truths
PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 7:13 am 
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gdemetz wrote:
When it states earth, I think of it meaning, perhaps, the giant land mass only.


Because it certainly sounds less ridiculous for just the land to be covered with water, doesn't it?

Would you be willing to speculate as to whether the oceans were also covered with water, or are you pretty sure it was just the land?

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 Post subject: Re: Fables vs. Restored Truths
PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 9:03 am 
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Drifting wrote:
Noah didn't have time for sleep.
He had to spend his nights impregnating his wives to ensure the world's population could bloom to over 7 billion people from 8 in a little over four thousand years...

your obvious implication here is that 4,000 years would be insufficient time for people to "bloom to over 7 billion"....care to support that with real facts?
or even if you could support it with a fundamental educated guess?
Here let me show you.....
according to the world population clock, 6.8 billion people have arrived on the scene since year 1(one). HERE...for those doing the math, that is 6.8 billion people in 2,000 years <------way less than 4,000 by the way
Your "insight" is again wrong.

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 Post subject: Re: Fables vs. Restored Truths
PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 10:28 am 
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Sub, there is a huge difference between world population growing to 7 billion from 170 million at the time of Christ than 8 people to 7 billion since Noah.

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 Post subject: Re: Fables vs. Restored Truths
PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 11:07 am 
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SteelHead wrote:
Sub, there is a huge difference between world population growing to 7 billion from 170 million at the time of Christ than 8 people to 7 billion since Noah.

not really...Noah was about 2,000 years before Christ....as we can see quite a few people can be generated in 2,000 years...so having 200 million after 2,000 ain't that big of a stretch.....
UNLESS...you have some sort of evidence, fact based statistics, or other "insight" that proves how much time is "enough"....i really have not seen the hard data like you guys obviously have.

Point being, what Drifting, and you, consider as "seems about right", then post it as if it is right, usually is not right.

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 Post subject: Re: Fables vs. Restored Truths
PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 11:23 am 
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SteelHead wrote:
Sub, there is a huge difference between world population growing to 7 billion from 170 million at the time of Christ than 8 people to 7 billion since Noah.

not really...Noah was about 2,000 years before Christ....as we can see quite a few people can be generated in 2,000 years...so having 200 million after 2,000 ain't that big of a stretch.....
UNLESS...you have some sort of evidence, fact based statistics, or other "insight" that proves how much time is "enough"....i really have not seen the hard data like you guys obviously have.

Point being, what Drifting, and you, consider as "seems about right", then post it as if it is right, usually is not right.


In the real world, inbreeding has consequences.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doma_people

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Also note:

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No near-extinction events in the window of time for the flood.

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 Post subject: Re: Fables vs. Restored Truths
PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 11:58 am 
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From 8 people to 25 million 350 years later requires a reproductive growth rate of 137%.... Which is only 133% or so better than the growth rate seen in the fastest growing areas today....

What did Noah and co. eat?

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 Post subject: Re: Fables vs. Restored Truths
PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 1:01 pm 
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Uh, there is also the whole problem of, you know, geologic and radiometric evidence that absolutely 100% means the continents have been separating over a period of hundreds of millions of years...


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 Post subject: Re: Fables vs. Restored Truths
PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 1:04 pm 
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Samantabhadra wrote:
Uh, there is also the whole problem of, you know, geologic and radiometric evidence that absolutely 100% means the continents have been separating over a period of hundreds of millions of years...


Yeah, that's a bit of a fly in gdemetz's soup.

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 Post subject: Re: Fables vs. Restored Truths
PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 1:21 pm 
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Samantabhadra wrote:
Uh, there is also the whole problem of, you know, geologic and radiometric evidence that absolutely 100% means the continents have been separating over a period of hundreds of millions of years...

ummm...go drink the kool-aid on another thread.
just you stating "absolutely 100%" means you know very little about either side of that argument.

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 Post subject: Re: Fables vs. Restored Truths
PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 1:24 pm 
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Buffalo wrote:
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No near-extinction events in the window of time for the flood.

Just for kicks, and to prove that you are well above the kind of person that would just take something at face value.....can you give us the evidence that PROVES 7 million at 4000 BC?
...or are you just taking MotherJones's word for it?

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 Post subject: Re: Fables vs. Restored Truths
PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 1:26 pm 
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just you stating "absolutely 100%" means you know very little about either side of that argument.


:lol:

"either side"? What is the "other side"?

I'm guessing you've never studied radiation or quantum mechanics.


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 Post subject: Re: Fables vs. Restored Truths
PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 1:43 pm 
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Samantabhadra wrote:
"either side"? What is the "other side"?

that the statement "the continents have been separating over a period of hundreds of millions of years" may be an exaggeration, or at best, premature.


I'm guessing you've never studied radiation or quantum mechanics.[/quote]
This one?
or this one?

either way, ask yourself a quick question...given the amount of nuclear explosions that have occurred on the earth, what impact will they have on the reliability of radiometric dating in the distant future?
Additionally, what evidence do you use to justify imposing the data of a decay rate able to be observed over, at best, a millennium or two to a time span of 10 million years.
If Hawaii continues its development, what will that be in 5 million years?


(let me footnote that i have no particular disagreement with plate tectonics, however, it is clear to the most cursory of scientific understanding that continental drift has little to confirm/deny with regards to a "flood". Surface characteristics of Rodinia or Nena are hardly definitive....unless you exercise a little faith)

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 Post subject: Re: Fables vs. Restored Truths
PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 1:47 pm 
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subgenius wrote:
Samantabhadra wrote:
"either side"? What is the "other side"?

that the statement "the continents have been separating over a period of hundreds of millions of years" may be an exaggeration, or at best, premature.


I'm guessing you've never studied radiation or quantum mechanics.

Quote:
This one?
or this one?

either way, ask yourself a quick question...given the amount of nuclear explosions that have occurred on the earth, what impact will they have on the reliability of radiometric dating in the distant future?
Additionally, what evidence do you use to justify imposing the data of a decay rate able to be observed over, at best, a millennium or two to a time span of 10 million years.
If Hawaii continues its development, what will that be in 5 million years?


(let me footnote that i have no particular disagreement with plate tectonics, however, it is clear to the most cursory of scientific understanding that continental drift has little to confirm/deny with regards to a "flood". Surface characteristics of Rodinia or Nena are hardly definitive....unless you exercise a little faith)


Not only do you know very little about science, economics, physics, law, physiology, archaeology, anthropology or biology. It seems you know very little about Mormonism!

According to Jeffers R Holland (and as referenced by gdemetz) the continents split when the flood waters receded circa 2,300 bc.

Do you agree with Elder Holland?
[ ] Yes
[ ] Yes

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 Post subject: Re: Fables vs. Restored Truths
PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 1:48 pm 
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The other side is .. wait for it....

Magic!

God did it, then hid the evidence.

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