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 Post subject: Re: Is the Church really growing?
PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2012 6:01 pm 
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gdemetz wrote:
That's not just the "Mormon" God; that's the Biblical God of Christianity also, and when that happens, many won't be around to see the increased growth percentage of the church!


You keep saying 'God' when really you mean 'Gods' (who used to be men)

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 Post subject: Re: Is the Church really growing?
PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2012 6:16 pm 
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Drifting wrote:
You keep saying 'God' when really you mean 'Gods' (who used to be men)


And those men who supposedly are now gods are angry men. Just read the scriptures and see how easily they get angry. Heck, I could make one of them angry really easy and you'd think that he would strike me dead, but it never happens. I'm still alive.

And the Mormon scriptures teach that nothing offends this angry god more than when we are ungrateful and forget to thank him for our many blessings. Well, guess what? I'm grateful to myself and credit myself for my blessings.

There. Still here. No lightening, as yet. And there is no king's name in Facsimile No. 3 to the sadness of every Mormon believer left to wonder why there is no name. And every Mormon believer must wonder why the prophet doesn't discuss it. But the Mormon believer will say "All is well", but really deep down they have to seriously wonder. They have no answer. They can't answer the critics as we laugh at their leaders who pretend to be prophets!

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 Post subject: Re: Is the Church really growing?
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And those men who supposedly are now gods are angry men. Just read the scriptures and see how easily they get angry. Heck, I could make one of them angry really easy and you'd think that he would strike me dead, but it never happens. I'm still alive.



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 Post subject: Re: Is the Church really growing?
PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 12:09 am 
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Yea, the guys in Sodom probably said the same thing. Well, at least until they got roasted!


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 Post subject: Re: Is the Church really growing?
PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 3:12 am 
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gdemetz wrote:
Yea, the guys in Sodom probably said the same thing. Well, at least until they got roasted!



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The historical existence of Sodom and Gomorrah is still in dispute by archaeologists, as little archaeological evidence has ever been found in the regions where they were supposedly situated.


What year (give or take) was Sodom supposedly destroyed?

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 Post subject: Re: Is the Church really growing?
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gdemetz wrote:
Yea, the guys in Sodom probably said the same thing. Well, at least until they got roasted!


And it probably gives you some kind of pleasure thinking about how God roasted all those flaming homosexuals because they refused to change their sexual orientation. No bother, the whole story is just a story. And I doubt very much that anyone turned into a pillar of salt. It's just more folklore added to the bible to scare people into following certain rules.

As I've said several times, the god of the bible is a cruel demon. He loves murder and is full of himself. He loves blood cult rituals and the saying of secret chants and placing blood on various parts of the body including thumbs and toes. The god of the bible is a cult idol from the Dark Ages of time. I despise him and his book.

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 Post subject: Re: Is the Church really growing?
PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 6:19 am 
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Drifting wrote:
What year (give or take) was Sodom supposedly destroyed?


It's myth. It's a story. Once upon a time . . . .

. . . . and she turned into a pillar of salt.

That was back in the days before science. Men were still roaming about with swords and clubs trying to invent the scariest gods to woo their clans into submission. And look what we have today: Mormons actually believe those stories took place! The Mormon church enjoys stepping back into the Dark Ages and pretending in all kinds of things. They are a backwords people. When you see a Mormon missionary, just say, "No". Then ask him what is the name of the king written in the writing of Facsimile No. 3. He'll probably respond by saying he doesn't read Egyptian. Tell him that Joe Smith couldn't either.

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 Post subject: Re: Is the Church really growing?
PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 10:43 am 
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So much for the stone cut without hands.


Who said the Church wouldn't have ups and downs?

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 Post subject: Re: Is the Church really growing?
PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 11:00 am 
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So much for the stone cut without hands.


Who said the Church wouldn't have ups and downs?


“No unhallowed hand can stop the work from progressing; persecutions may rage, mobs may combine, armies may assemble, calumny may defame, but the truth of God will go forth boldly, nobly, and independent, till it has penetrated every continent, visited every clime, swept every country, and sounded in every ear, till the purposes of God shall be accomplished, and the Great Jehovah shall say the work is done” - some guy

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 Post subject: Re: Is the Church really growing?
PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 11:03 am 
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So much for the stone cut without hands.


Who said the Church wouldn't have ups and downs?


This is where you are hiding after running away from Runtu. It might be wise and build a lot of credibility to just own up an admit to being wrong, but I suspect based on your posts that this will be to hard for you.

The last time the church had a down was during Joseph Smith time. This time around it may be more permanent. We live in a different world where scientific discovery is opening the eyes of man. The LDS church really does stand to lose the most from this. This is why many religious have such a hatred towards the scientific community. At least in the areas that do not support what they want to believe.

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 Post subject: Re: Is the Church really growing?
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“No unhallowed hand can stop the work from progressing; persecutions may rage, mobs may combine, armies may assemble, calumny may defame, but the truth of God will go forth boldly, nobly, and independent,


Let's not forget that the US government stopped Mormonism dead in its tracks by halting the practice of polygamy while several church leaders ran off and went into hiding because they were too afraid to cease the practice and face up to the real powers that govern. Yes, one of the grand practices of Mormonism was stopped as there will be others to follow. Church leaders continue to teach their youth about the so-called evils of masturbation but this too will be brought to an end when the courts finally step in and tell the church to stop this practice or risk arrest and prosecution for child abuse.

Yes, I see lot's of changes for Mormonism and its going to be real hard for the faithful to endure them. In this day of knowledge wherein Google is sweeping the world it will become harder for the Mormon church to hide their embarrassing history. Pretty soon, it will be a shame for anyone to want to join this church because people will point out the embarrassing parts of their history and the fact that the prophets never prophesy and use the so-called powers of their divine office. What a sham!

Let the church begin to shrink and its army grow weaker and weaker. Just watch the General Authorities trip up. Their tight run system will eventually start to crack and crumble to the ground.

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 Post subject: Re: Is the Church really growing?
PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 12:51 pm 
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Church leaders continue to teach their youth about the so-called evils of masturbation but this too will be brought to an end when the courts finally step in and tell the church to stop this practice or risk arrest and prosecution for child abuse.


One thing that I have noticed is that you really don't hear a lot about masturbation now. Of course, I brought up girls in the youth program, not boys. I will be keeping a very close guard on what my son is taught when he gets to be mutual age.


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One thing that I have noticed is that you really don't hear a lot about masturbation now. Of course, I brought up girls in the youth program, not boys. I will be keeping a very close guard on what my son is taught when he gets to be mutual age.


I'm sure they are still hounding the boys over it. It's like a rite of passage the men like to do to the boys. Heck, if the adults couldn't do it when they were kids they sure aren't going to let the next generation do it either. The church is so focused into anti-masturbation that they simply can't climb out of that pit. It will take the court system and the government literally threatening the leaders with jail time unless they stop that practice. The time is coming when the church will take a beating for the damage they have caused to untold numbers of youth. I look forward to the day and will certainly be clapping when the government smacks the church down.

Just thinking about the pain I suffered at the hands of the church over this issue makes me ill. I want justice and the church to pay up. It's only a matter of time and lawsuits will overrun the church.

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 Post subject: Re: Is the Church really growing?
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 Post subject: Re: Is the Church really growing?
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That was back in the days before science. Men were still roaming about with swords and clubs trying to invent the scariest gods to woo their clans into submission. And look what we have today: Mormons actually believe those stories took place! The Mormon church enjoys stepping back into the Dark Ages and pretending in all kinds of things. They are a backwords people. When you see a Mormon missionary, just say, "No". Then ask him what is the name of the king written in the writing of Facsimile No. 3. He'll probably respond by saying he doesn't read Egyptian. Tell him that Joe Smith couldn't either.



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 Post subject: Re: Is the Church really growing?
PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 7:31 pm 
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Did you ever check with FAIR about that king, or perhaps you have just made up your mind already and no matter what you see it won't change. Be careful, the stone keeps growing and growing. Don't let it crush you!


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Did you ever check with FAIR about that king, or perhaps you have just made up your mind already and no matter what you see it won't change. Be careful, the stone keeps growing and growing. Don't let it crush you!


Do you even know who you are talking to and my history in LDS apologetics? Listen pal, I can read Egyptian. And, I can tell you that there is no king's name written in the writing of Facsimile No. 3. I don't care what kind of garbage the guys at FAIR are pushing these days. There IS no king's name. It doesn't exist.

And what stone is going to crush me because I happen to know the truth about the writings contained in the Facsimile and how Joseph Smith lied about them in order to act like a translator?

You must be a troll. No one is this ignorant. But I do enjoy ramming the Facsimile Explanations down your throat and I know you cannot bear testimony to the truthfulness of Joseph's explanations which have been disproved scientifically.

You've lost the argument. FAIR can't save you and your prophets don't know what to say. But as I say, I think you're a troll and wasting my time.

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 Post subject: Re: Is the Church really growing?
PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 7:52 pm 
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gdemetz,

After further contemplation I consider you to be a troll on this board and a dishonest person at heart. Therefore, I am putting you on my IGNORE list. I will no longer read the propoganda you generate or respond to you.

I don't care about your soul -- go to heaven or burn in hell, I don't care. As far as I'm concerned you're not worth my time.

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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 7:56 pm 
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I didn't know you were an expert Egyptologist. You should write FAIR about that.


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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 11:22 pm 
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gdemetz wrote:
I didn't know you were an expert Egyptologist. You should write FAIR about that.


Fair knows him well. He was one of the major apologists regarding the Book of Abraham for years as was Kevin G before they had to come to terms with reality. :surprised:

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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2012 12:15 am 
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gdemetz wrote:
Did you ever check with FAIR about that king, or perhaps you have just made up your mind already and no matter what you see it won't change. Be careful, the stone keeps growing and growing. Don't let it crush you!


Is FAIR the official Church source for finding answers to questions?
Or does it have equally unofficial standing with MormonThink etc?

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