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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 12:47 pm 
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 1:02 pm 
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Here are some of the reasons I became very skeptical that God really told Joseph Smith to do polygamy:

1: Fanny Alger-as far as we know there was no sealing power at this time restores to the earth or if you do not believe the restored issue it was not part of the LDS doctrine. Fanny was a young attractive girls that it seems Joseph had an affair with and when he got caught then used polygamy as a cover. It all just seems to convenient.

2: Joseph used his position of power to influence many women to marry him. This put them under great duress. Promising to young girl her families exaltation, telling others they were predestined as his, promising them eternal rewards and placing a time limit on their decision, all this from a man they viewed as God's prophet would create great duress and pressure on the women to accept.

3: It seems that Joseph Smith tries to tarnish the reputation of some women who even under duress were able to refuse.

4: Polyandry. Need I really say more? Did Joseph Smith really need to marry Zina? She had a faithful spouse that could marry her in the temple and she had children with the man as well. This in my view was a despicable thing by Joseph and Brigham. Zina as well and Henry Jacob for not beating the hell out of Joseph and Brigham for taking his wife.

Which by the way is what I would have done had they asked for my wide. Yes Heber I would have failed that nonsensical test.

5: I understand some of the secrecy from the general public. So if God did command it, it would really be a problem in the society in which they lived. But lying to his wife about and committing subterfuge as well as an alleged revelation that threatens her and other women with destruction if they do not accept? Well if the God I have always had faith in exists he would not do such a thing.

To sum up, heck no I would not practice polygamy. I see little different between Joseph Smith and other cult/religious leaders who says God is telling them to take more than one women.

Joseph Smith may have believed God was telling him to do so, he may have had motives that were dynastic and he may have had a plan to tie families together. But the way he did it just smells really bad.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 11:28 pm 
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Why not ask Dr. Peterson that very question right now?


There are just certain questions that an intelligent person must refuse to answer if he wants to maintain any credibility as reasonable and objective. Another would be if he literally believes we need handshakes/tokens/signs to get past angels standing as sentinels.

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If I was Joseph, I would hope I would have had the courage to stand up to his angel with a sword and say, slay me if you must but I will not commit such despicable crimes.

What would you do?

it seems that since "morality" comes from God, it would be an error to claim that His commands are criminal. To claim that He would have you commit a despicable crime would be putting your self, or rather natural man's law, before God's Law. If this were the case, then surely you would be hardly convinced that you were visited by an angel at all.
Surely Abraham and Isaac provide the simple answer to this simple question. If you "know" it is a commandment from God, you would be compelled to obey that command, especially in the light of the "struggle" it would present to your well-established habit of monogamy.

I am curious as to why one would "hope for the courage" to contradict God, seems like an altogether selfish and hopeless position to desire.

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 Post subject: Re: God asks you to practice polygamy – what would you do?
PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 10:35 am 
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it seems that since "morality" comes from God, it would be an error to claim that His commands are criminal. To claim that He would have you commit a despicable crime would be putting your self, or rather natural man's law, before God's Law.


How many claim God told them to do it after they have done some crime that this same God is supposed to say is wrong? Why not believe all those other people?

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Surely Abraham and Isaac provide the simple answer to this simple question. If you "know" it is a commandment from God, you would be compelled to obey that command, especially in the light of the "struggle" it would present to your well-established habit of monogamy.


It a good example of people sharing a story to teach obedience to what they claim God is saying.

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I am curious as to why one would "hope for the courage" to contradict God, seems like an altogether selfish and hopeless position to desire.


You have to be kidding. It would hardly be selfish. The real issue here is not what one would do if God told them to do something they believe God also told everyone else is wrong. The issue is why do we believe Joseph was, and not everyone else who claims such. You really have to already believe in Joseph to buy an angel forcing Joseph to marry and have sex with multiple women. Why is it that Joseph gets an angel and no one else does? Not even Emma who is obviously the one who really needs one.

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it seems that since "morality" comes from God, it would be an error to claim that His commands are criminal.


They were criminal by the definition. Polygamy was against the law....making it a CRIME.

God said in the D&C that follwing him would never require the breaking of the law of the land. Hmmmm.

Pretty fishy.

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To claim that He would have you commit a despicable crime would be putting your self, or rather natural man's law, before God's Law. If this were the case, then surely you would be hardly convinced that you were visited by an angel at all.
Surely Abraham and Isaac provide the simple answer to this simple question. If you "know" it is a commandment from God, you would be compelled to obey that command, especially in the light of the "struggle" it would present to your well-established habit of monogamy.

I am curious as to why one would "hope for the courage" to contradict God, seems like an altogether selfish and hopeless position to desire.


So, you're saying that if a voice in your head said to kill your child that you would do it? If the Abraham story is true than god is a jerk and a bit unhinged.

If God asks criminal things of people, or things that go against the light of christ, than God is a jackass that deserves to be contradicted. The god described in D&C 132 is an abuser. D&C 132 is spiritually and emotionally abusive.

Welcome to the board, subgenius!

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 Post subject: Re: God asks you to practice polygamy – what would you do?
PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 11:04 am 
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it seems that since "morality" comes from God, it would be an error to claim that His commands are criminal. To claim that He would have you commit a despicable crime would be putting your self, or rather natural man's law, before God's Law. If this were the case, then surely you would be hardly convinced that you were visited by an angel at all.
Surely Abraham and Isaac provide the simple answer to this simple question. If you "know" it is a commandment from God, you would be compelled to obey that command, especially in the light of the "struggle" it would present to your well-established habit of monogamy.

I am curious as to why one would "hope for the courage" to contradict God, seems like an altogether selfish and hopeless position to desire.


There was a story reported in the news some years back about a man in Utah that said God told him to kill his son. He thought that God was testing him and at the last minute, he would stop him from killing his son like God did with Abraham. Needless to say, the story ended with a dead child and a man in prison for life.

What's the difference? Well, you might be tempted to say that one man really received orders from God and the other one just thought he did.

But how would you ever, really, I mean REALLY know if something came from God or you just weren't delusional or side effect from medication, dreaming, whatever? And what about the many others that have claimed and will claim to be speaking with God. Ohh, they are all wrong of course but our prophet isn't.

The real danger of this is following a prophet who claims to be getting revelation from God. If you believe he's a prophet, you follow him. If Joseph was wrong then every person that followed him and practiced polygamy was wrong.


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it seems that since "morality" comes from God, it would be an error to claim that His commands are criminal. To claim that He would have you commit a despicable crime would be putting your self, or rather natural man's law, before God's Law.


How many claim God told them to do it after they have done some crime that this same God is supposed to say is wrong? Why not believe all those other people?

i believe the question was what "you" would do, not others.
Many people may claim that "God said so", but that does not mean it is true, correct? For that truth one must distract the discussion to one about Moroni 7.

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Surely Abraham and Isaac provide the simple answer to this simple question. If you "know" it is a commandment from God, you would be compelled to obey that command, especially in the light of the "struggle" it would present to your well-established habit of monogamy.


It a good example of people sharing a story to teach obedience to what they claim God is saying.

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I am curious as to why one would "hope for the courage" to contradict God, seems like an altogether selfish and hopeless position to desire.


You have to be kidding. It would hardly be selfish. The real issue here is not what one would do if God told them to do something they believe God also told everyone else is wrong. The issue is why do we believe Joseph was, and not everyone else who claims such. You really have to already believe in Joseph to buy an angel forcing Joseph to marry and have sex with multiple women. Why is it that Joseph gets an angel and no one else does? Not even Emma who is obviously the one who really needs one.

i must have mis-read the OP, because it seems to have asked a question quite specifically.
And besides, has the issue of polygamy in the LDS church not long been settled? Is there some revealing point or conclusion you would propose from this episode?

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 11:22 am 
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subgenius wrote:
it seems that since "morality" comes from God, it would be an error to claim that His commands are criminal. To claim that He would have you commit a despicable crime would be putting your self, or rather natural man's law, before God's Law. If this were the case, then surely you would be hardly convinced that you were visited by an angel at all.
Surely Abraham and Isaac provide the simple answer to this simple question. If you "know" it is a commandment from God, you would be compelled to obey that command, especially in the light of the "struggle" it would present to your well-established habit of monogamy.

I am curious as to why one would "hope for the courage" to contradict God, seems like an altogether selfish and hopeless position to desire.


There was a story reported in the news some years back about a man in Utah that said God told him to kill his son. He thought that God was testing him and at the last minute, he would stop him from killing his son like God did with Abraham. Needless to say, the story ended with a dead child and a man in prison for life.

What's the difference? Well, you might be tempted to say that one man really received orders from God and the other one just thought he did.

But how would you ever, really, I mean REALLY know if something came from God or you just weren't delusional or side effect from medication, dreaming, whatever? And what about the many others that have claimed and will claim to be speaking with God. Ohh, they are all wrong of course but our prophet isn't.

The real danger of this is following a prophet who claims to be getting revelation from God. If you believe he's a prophet, you follow him. If Joseph was wrong then every person that followed him and practiced polygamy was wrong.

Moroni Chapter 7
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Oh and Just me, thanks! Feelings mutual! :-)


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I am not sure I know what QFT is.

Oh and Just me, thanks! Feelings mutual! :-)


It means Quoted For Truth.

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Dang it! Beaten by Buff.

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it seems that since "morality" comes from God, it would be an error to claim that His commands are criminal. To claim that He would have you commit a despicable crime would be putting your self, or rather natural man's law, before God's Law. If this were the case, then surely you would be hardly convinced that you were visited by an angel at all.
Surely Abraham and Isaac provide the simple answer to this simple question. If you "know" it is a commandment from God, you would be compelled to obey that command, especially in the light of the "struggle" it would present to your well-established habit of monogamy.

I am curious as to why one would "hope for the courage" to contradict God, seems like an altogether selfish and hopeless position to desire.


If there is a God that commands and revokes in a seemingly caprcious way, and if it really is if God says one day thou shalt not kill and on another kill, or as Joseph Smith said, whatever God commands it right then perhaps you are correct. However, I personally need to be absolutly certain that I can trust that the person saying God is revoking this former command really is speaking for God. In most if not all cases I do not see a reason to give such ultimate trust to a man or woman. Historically it seems disaster often results in such cases.

So on such major morality changing commands, commands that go against all that his been what is seems God stood for in the past, then God can come tell me himself. Then I am a ok with it. But don't do it through untrustworthy humans.


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Then we may know with a perfect surety that Joseph's revelations were of the Devil. :)

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In other words, it's a good thing, Jason.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 11:35 am 
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subgenius wrote:
i believe the question was what "you" would do, not others.

I am aware of the question. I just noted none of us have or will ever have to deal with this, so the realissue is looking at all those who claim to be.

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Many people may claim that "God said so", but that does not mean it is true, correct?


but do they believe it.

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For that truth one must distract the discussion to one about Moroni 7.


That does not do well for Joseph's claims then.

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That the main point of the story is obedience above all else. This also serves people like Joseph who want to get followers to obey regardless of what they think is right or wrong.

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i must have mis-read the OP, because it seems to have asked a question quite specifically.


Again I am aware of the question in the OP. I am also aware it is something none of us will ever experience.

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And besides, has the issue of polygamy in the LDS church not long been settled? Is there some revealing point or conclusion you would propose from this episode?


What do think has been settled? Again I think the issue is whether Joseph really was commanded to practice polygamy. I think the evidence does not support this, and is obvious to everyone who looks at it who doesn't already believe, and many who do.

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it seems that since "morality" comes from God, it would be an error to claim that His commands are criminal.


They were criminal by the definition. Polygamy was against the law....making it a CRIME.

God said in the D&C that follwing him would never require the breaking of the law of the land. Hmmmm.

Pretty fishy.

arguably Joseph had the revelation in 1843, maybe 1831...lets stick with 1843.....
Morrill Anti-Bigamy Act - 1862
Poland Act - 1874
Reynolds v. United States 1878
Edmunds Act - 1882

me thinks the timeline is not so fishy. The "law of the land" was post-revelation.

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To claim that He would have you commit a despicable crime would be putting your self, or rather natural man's law, before God's Law. If this were the case, then surely you would be hardly convinced that you were visited by an angel at all.
Surely Abraham and Isaac provide the simple answer to this simple question. If you "know" it is a commandment from God, you would be compelled to obey that command, especially in the light of the "struggle" it would present to your well-established habit of monogamy.

I am curious as to why one would "hope for the courage" to contradict God, seems like an altogether selfish and hopeless position to desire.


So, you're saying that if a voice in your head said to kill your child that you would do it? If the Abraham story is true than god is a jerk and a bit unhinged.

No, if it was voice in my head, then likely i would not have another voice which could override such a command. However, if God commanded it, then the voice in my head would have decide the course of action......and if it was in accordance with Moroni 7, then likely the child would die. Are you proposing that the supreme law is bio-genetically based? Are you proposing that no action can supersede biological impulses?

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If God asks criminal things of people, or things that go against the light of christ, than God is a jackass that deserves to be contradicted. The god described in D&C 132 is an abuser. D&C 132 is spiritually and emotionally abusive.

Welcome to the board, subgenius!

If it is truly criminal and truly against the light of Christ, then it is not coming from God....just as it is impossible for God to lie.
With regards to polygamy, neither of these have been proven to have occurred at the time of revelation.

and thank you for the welcome....nice to be here.

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No, if it was voice in my head, then likely i would not have another voice which could override such a command. However, if God commanded it, then the voice in my head would have decide the course of action......and if it was in accordance with Moroni 7, then likely the child would die.


And how is killing a child in accordance with Moroni 7?

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If it is truly criminal and truly against the light of Christ, then it is not coming from God....just as it is impossible for God to lie.
With regards to polygamy, neither of these have been proven to have occurred at the time of revelation.


Then polygamy is not from God, since it was criminal, and for Joseph involved lying and manipulation.

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arguably Joseph had the revelation in 1843, maybe 1831...lets stick with 1843.....
Morrill Anti-Bigamy Act - 1862
Poland Act - 1874
Reynolds v. United States 1878
Edmunds Act - 1882

me thinks the timeline is not so fishy. The "law of the land" was post-revelation.


Sorry, you are wrong. Their was an anti-bigamy law in Illinois the entire time the saints lived there. There was also a law against "unlawful cohabitation."

Beyond the law of the land, which god said the saints would not need to break to follow him, there was a law of the church against polygamy and adultery. The Article on Marriage was passed by the body of the church by common consent. That made it BINDING on the church membership.

It was also repeatedly said in the schriptures not to covet your neighbors wife....Joseph Smith did exactly that.

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subgenius said: "it seems that since "morality" comes from God, it would be an error to claim that His commands are criminal. arguably Joseph had the revelation in 1843, maybe 1831...lets stick with 1843.....
Morrill Anti-Bigamy Act - 1862
Poland Act - 1874
Reynolds v. United States 1878
Edmunds Act - 1882

me thinks the timeline is not so fishy. The "law of the land" was post-revelation."



It was illegal when Joseph practiced polygamy:

Most of Joseph Smith's polygamous marriages occurred in Illinois in the early 1840s. The Illinois Anti-bigamy Law enacted February 12th, 1833 clearly stated that polygamy was illegal. It reads:

"Sec 121. Bigamy consists in the having of two wives or two husbands at one and the same time, knowing that the former husband or wife is still alive. If any person or persons within this State, being married, or who shall hereafter marry, do at any time marry any person or persons, the former husband or wife being alive, the person so offending shall, on conviction thereof, be punished by a fine, not exceeding one thousand dollars, and imprisoned in the penitentiary, not exceeding two years. It shall not be necessary to prove either of the said marriages by the register or certificate thereof, or other record evidence; but the same may be proved by such evidence as is admissible to prove a marriage in other cases, and when such second marriage shall have taken place without this state, cohabitation in this state after such second marriage shall be deemed the commission of the crime of bigamy, and the trial in such case may take place in the county where such cohabitation shall have occurred."
Revised Laws of Illinois, 1833, p.198-99

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No, if it was voice in my head, then likely i would not have another voice which could override such a command. However, if God commanded it, then the voice in my head would have decide the course of action......and if it was in accordance with Moroni 7, then likely the child would die.


And how is killing a child in accordance with Moroni 7?

I never said it was in accordance. I said that Moroni 7 is how you can discern the question you asked.

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If it is truly criminal and truly against the light of Christ, then it is not coming from God....just as it is impossible for God to lie.
With regards to polygamy, neither of these have been proven to have occurred at the time of revelation.


Then polygamy is not from God, since it was criminal, and for Joseph involved lying and manipulation.[/quote]
it was not "criminal" for at least 20 years after the revelation.
the presence of any lying and manipulation is argumentative and not relevant to the OP or the point.

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