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Maksutov wrote:The trinity is a fiction that people are willing to kill each other over. The concept solves no problems, creates no avenue for research or data, is unfalsifiable. It's an evolved fantasy to obscure numerous logical fallacies. At this point it's basically a feature in marketing that's more sizzle than steak. :lol:

Now if humans want to acknowledge that reality is complex, that beings have many constituent and seemingly contrary parts, you will find me in agreement. But the trinity wars are artifacts of cult warfare, tribal identity signifiers without intrinsic content or worth, more valuable as weaponized against competing tribes/factions.

Maksukov,

The trinity wars??? sounds like star wars. What specifically are you referring to? I know of nobody willing to kill over the doctrine of the trinity. ( except perhaps some Islamic extremist )

I agree that no objective experiment will determine the accuracy or lack of accuracy for the formulae. On the other hand I have no idea what sort logical fallacies you see the trinity evolving to obscure.

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huckelberry wrote:
Maksutov wrote:The trinity is a fiction that people are willing to kill each other over. The concept solves no problems, creates no avenue for research or data, is unfalsifiable. It's an evolved fantasy to obscure numerous logical fallacies. At this point it's basically a feature in marketing that's more sizzle than steak. :lol:

Now if humans want to acknowledge that reality is complex, that beings have many constituent and seemingly contrary parts, you will find me in agreement. But the trinity wars are artifacts of cult warfare, tribal identity signifiers without intrinsic content or worth, more valuable as weaponized against competing tribes/factions.

Maksukov,

The trinity wars??? sounds like star wars. What specifically are you referring to? I know of nobody willing to kill over the doctrine of the trinity. ( except perhaps some Islamic extremist )

I agree that no objective experiment will determine the accuracy or lack of accuracy for the formulae. On the other hand I have no idea what sort logical fallacies you see the trinity evolving to obscure.

Disagreement with the trinity promulgated in the Constantinian era made people heretics. Heretics were targeted for torture and killing from early on.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_m ... l_heresies

There is no unitary Christian view of the trinity. The concept is sectarian, the conflicts are about internal power dynamics and not about divinity, IMO.
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Maksutov.

Ok, so trinity wars refers to the 4 and 5th century Roman Empire and the emperor's desire to hold a fragmenting empire together.

I wonder why people found something worth arguing about there? Why not just say ok whenever the emperor changed and had a different view? This question is a different way of asking what logical fallacies were being covered over by the Trinity doctrine.

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huckelberry wrote:Maksutov.

Ok, so trinity wars refers to the 4 and 5th century Roman Empire and the emperor's desire to hold a fragmenting empire together.

I wonder why people found something worth arguing about there? Why not just say ok whenever the emperor changed and had a different view? This question is a different way of asking what logical fallacies were being covered over by the Trinity doctrine.


People fought over what day the Sabbath was on. :lol:
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The Trinity explained below

https://i.imgur.com/tJmtomW.jpg
Justice = Getting what you deserve
Mercy = Not getting what you deserve
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"God" is the original deus ex machina. --Maksutov

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Maksutov wrote:
Mittens wrote:The Trinity explained below

https://i.imgur.com/tJmtomW.jpg

https://www.unitarian.org.uk/pages/unit ... -explained
Which only goes to demonstrate that --- “If you don’t stand for something, you’ll be sure to fall for anything.”

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LittleNipper wrote:
Maksutov wrote:https://www.unitarian.org.uk/pages/unitarianism-explained
Which only goes to demonstrate that --- “If you don’t stand for something, you’ll be sure to fall for anything.”

I didn't know you were a follower of Hinckley. :lol:
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Maksutov wrote:
LittleNipper wrote: Which only goes to demonstrate that --- “If you don’t stand for something, you’ll be sure to fall for anything.”

I didn't know you were a follower of Hinckley. :lol:

Not quite, I didn't know that you were a UNITARIAN... :wink:

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LittleNipper wrote:
Maksutov wrote:I didn't know you were a follower of Hinckley. :lol:

Not quite, I didn't know that you were a UNITARIAN... :wink:

I've attended the First Unitarian Church in Salt Lake City before. Nice folks. :cool:
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The Book of Mormon teaches only One God and never suggests any more

Alma 11:

26 And Zeezrom said unto him: Thou sayest there is a true and living God?

27 And Amulek said: Yea, there is a true and living God.

28 Now Zeezrom said: Is there more than one God?

29 And he answered, No.

1 Nephi 13: 41 And they must come according to the words which shall be established by the mouth of the Lamb; and the words of the Lamb shall be made known in the records of thy seed, as well as in the records of the twelve apostles of the Lamb; wherefore they both shall be established in one; for there is one God and one Shepherd over all the earth.

Book of Moses 1:

6 And I have a work for thee, Moses, my son; and thou art in the similitude of mine Only Begotten; and mine Only Begotten is and shall be the Savior, for he is full of grace and truth; but there is no God beside me, and all things are present with me, for I know them all.
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I think the confusion lies in that we can't perceive dimensions beyond what our senses can understand. We are limited in our ability to visualise what the trinity means.

I look at it as Jesus prayed to the father. Jesus and the father have the same goal and their 'souls' if you like are intertwined as one.

Maybe... who knows for sure? All I know is we can not possibly comprehend what is going on out there beyond what can be shared in this life.
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wasn't the trinity in the book of Mormon the same as normal protestantism. It changed over time

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The Book of Mormon has a twist of modalism to it. A interesting study is the evolution of the Mormon God...from the Book of Mormon, LoF, BY’s God, to Devine investiture.
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iwanttotalk wrote:wasn't the trinity in the book of Mormon the same as normal protestantism. It changed over time


The Book of Mormon agrees with the Creeds and Traditional Christianity and completely and contradicts Mormonism
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