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 Post subject: THREE TESTS THE BOOK OF Mormon CANNOT PASS
PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 7:49 pm 
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Here are three tests the book of Mormon cannot pass ---

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Still can't write, eh? Have to link and run? :lol: I don't want to look at Youtube. If you have something to say, spit it out. Does this look like a Youtube channel to you? :razz:

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The book of Mormon is a pretty wide target. I am unable to see the Bible passing the same tests with the ease this presenter believes. He mentions secular confirmation of the hours of darkness at the crucifixion. I am unfamiliar with such and am shocked to hear the claim. He also says it was a miraculous solar eclipse.

Darkness of a solar eclipse is a couple minutes not hours.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:35 am 
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Still can't write, eh? Have to link and run? :lol: I don't want to look at Youtube. If you have something to say, spit it out. Does this look like a Youtube channel to you? :razz:


Never watch TV, eh? Why should I restate that which has already has been stated very concisely.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:38 am 
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The book of Mormon is a pretty wide target. I am unable to see the Bible passing the same tests with the ease this presenter believes. He mentions secular confirmation of the hours of darkness at the crucifixion. I am unfamiliar with such and am shocked to hear the claim. He also says it was a miraculous solar eclipse.

Darkness of a solar eclipse is a couple minutes not hours.

The Bible say 3 hours and Book of Mormon says 3 days. The book of Mormon is in error. https://creation.com/darkness-at-the-cr ... al-history


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:44 am 
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So an account of darkness at the crucifixion in the Bible that has 0 outside contemporary sources is correct, and the Book of Mormon meeting the same standard is incorrect?

I don't think you understand how this evidence thing works.

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So an account of darkness at the crucifixion in the Bible that has 0 outside contemporary sources is correct, and the Book of Mormon meeting the same standard is incorrect?

I don't think you understand how this evidence thing works.
You're greatly mistaken https://creation.com/darkness-at-the-cr ... al-history


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:51 am 
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So an account of darkness at the crucifixion in the Bible that has 0 outside contemporary sources is correct, and the Book of Mormon meeting the same standard is incorrect?

I don't think you understand how this evidence thing works.
You're greatly mistaken https://creation.com/darkness-at-the-cr ... al-history


Gospel accounts are derived from Mark. Apologists from 2nd and 3rd century are referencing a source that is lost and are suspect. They are no more valid than current Book of Mormon apologists referencing the Book of Mormon as a source.

There is no mention in the Roman histories and they were known to keep extensive records. It is a similar event to other periods of darkness in Jewish writings at the death of a notable figure.

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The majority of manuscripts of the Gospel of Luke have the Greek phrase eskotisthe ho helios ("the sun was darkened"), but the earliest manuscripts say tou heliou eklipontos ("the sun's light failed" or "the sun was in eclipse").

The earliest copies of Luke ascribe it to an eclipse, yet no eclipse that matches the time frame is possible, and an eclipse has a maximum period of seven some odd minutes.

The earthquake and dead rising are only found in Mathew, and John mentions none of these events. The events in Mathew are simar to the millieu of Jewish apocalyptic writings of the time. So it seems a literary invention to add gravitas to the story.

It is another example of the Bible making ____ up, but because you approach the Bible as innerant, you have to engage in gymnastics to justify it.

The gospels are not primary sources, and there are 0 contemporary sources to corroborate with. It is a common motif from Jewish apocalyptic writings and an eclipse during the Passover season can't happen. But yeah, bag on the Book of Mormon cuz your fiction is more correct... ???

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:42 am 
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The Bible say 3 hours and Book of Mormon says 3 days. The book of Mormon is in error. https://creation.com/darkness-at-the-cr ... al-history

Well there is a bit of interest there but the information about the source is very thin in this link. I looked a bit further,

https://infidels.org/library/modern/ric ... allus.html

What is happening with the source has serious uncertainty. It is quite possible a reference to an eclipse in the general time of Jesus got applied to the the gospel reports in later centuries by Christian apologists. It is not completely certain if that is what happened I gather. The non Christian source or sources(uncertain) have long disappeared. There is only Christian apologists remarking about it.


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LittleNipper wrote:
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The book of Mormon is a pretty wide target. I am unable to see the Bible passing the same tests with the ease this presenter believes. He mentions secular confirmation of the hours of darkness at the crucifixion. I am unfamiliar with such and am shocked to hear the claim. He also says it was a miraculous solar eclipse.

Darkness of a solar eclipse is a couple minutes not hours.

The Bible say 3 hours and Book of Mormon says 3 days. The book of Mormon is in error. https://creation.com/darkness-at-the-cr ... al-history


The book of Mormon story and the Bible story are happening on opposite sides of the world. No reason for the time to be the same.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:18 pm 
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The Bible say 3 hours and Book of Mormon says 3 days. The book of Mormon is in error. https://creation.com/darkness-at-the-cr ... al-history

The book of Mormon story and the Bible story are happening on opposite sides of the world. No reason for the time to be the same.

Come on!?!!? The Christ was being crucified at Jerusalem! Why would the Americas experience 3 days of darkness and Jerusalem receive only 3 hours! Think for once in your life. Joseph Smith was writing the book of Mormon without any help from GOD. And He could not help but make mistakes. And this is a glaring error, and yet one that could have slipped by any guy who had no heart for the truth but was too busy trying to jump into the spotlight.


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Come on!?!!? The Christ was being crucified at Jerusalem! Why would the Americas experience 3 days of darkness and Jerusalem receive only 3 hours! Think for once in your life. Joseph Smith was writing the book of Mormon without any help from GOD. And He could not help but make mistakes. And this is a glaring error, and yet one that could have slipped by any guy who had no love for the truth but was trying to jump into the spotlight.

The bible was also written without any help from god. The Book of Mormon and Bible are both MYTHOLOGY!

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SteelHead wrote:
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Come on!?!!? The Christ was being crucified at Jerusalem! Why would the Americas experience 3 days of darkness and Jerusalem receive only 3 hours! Think for once in your life. Joseph Smith was writing the book of Mormon without any help from GOD. And He could not help but make mistakes. And this is a glaring error, and yet one that could have slipped by any guy who had no love for the truth but was trying to jump into the spotlight.

The bible was also written without any help from god. The Book of Mormon and Bible are both MYTHOLOGY!

The Bible is a highly intelligent book. The book of Mormon is very superficial and entirely without any archaeological, scientific, historic or prophetic support of any kind. The only thing Mormons cling to are their own personal "FEELINGS." They don't need any proof, and yet GOD clearly says to try (test) -- not accepting things at face value.


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The Bible is a highly intelligent book. The book of Mormon is very superficial and entirely without any archaeological, scientific, historic or prophetic support of any kind. The only thing Mormons cling to are their own personal "FEELINGS." They don't need any proof, and yet GOD clearly says to try (test) -- not accepting things at face value.


The Bible is a highly purile book, full of talking snakes, and talking donkeys. The main character is a monster who orders the death of children and who relishes won ton destruction.

God hasn't clearly said anything. You haven't established that God has anything to do with the Bible.

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The book of Mormon story and the Bible story are happening on opposite sides of the world. No reason for the time to be the same.

Come on!?!!? The Christ was being crucified at Jerusalem! Why would the Americas experience 3 days of darkness and Jerusalem receive only 3 hours! Think for once in your life. Joseph Smith was writing the book of Mormon without any help from GOD. And He could not help but make mistakes. And this is a glaring error, and yet one that could have slipped by any guy who had no heart for the truth but was too busy trying to jump into the spotlight.

The darkness in Jerusalem would have been at night in the Americas. That event would have been invisible to the Nephites. If they experienced anything it would have had to have been a result of different miraculous arrangement and would have to have happened at a somewhat different time.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2018 9:01 pm 
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Come on!?!!? The Christ was being crucified at Jerusalem! Why would the Americas experience 3 days of darkness and Jerusalem receive only 3 hours! Think for once in your life. Joseph Smith was writing the book of Mormon without any help from GOD. And He could not help but make mistakes. And this is a glaring error, and yet one that could have slipped by any guy who had no heart for the truth but was too busy trying to jump into the spotlight.

The darkness in Jerusalem would have been at night in the Americas. That event would have been invisible to the Nephites. If they experienced anything it would have had to have been a result of different miraculous arrangement and would have to have happened at a somewhat different time.

Wait, wait, wait! Have you never seen the stars and the moon? Imagine a beautiful starry night suddenly going black for 3 hours. Of course Joseph Smith lacked any godly insight to fill in what he forgot from Sunday school, and clearly left his lack of divine leading imprinted in the pages of the Book of Mormon for anyone really interested in pondering the differences between the Bible and the book of Mormon to note. In Moroni Chapter 10 verse 4, the book itself presents in poor sentence structure the following: "... I would exhort you that ye would ask God, the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ, if these things are not true...."

OK, GOD, are these things not true? The answer I get from GOD is, "Absolutely, these things are NOT true!" Now I know what Joseph Smith thinks he was saying in ye old English, but the fact is he proves that the book of Mormon is a forgery and not another testament at all, but an attempt to usurp the true Word of GOD. If you want a relationship with GOD the FATHER through Jesus the Messiah read the Bible. If you want to be a god with your own planets then read Harry Potter and forget the book of Mormon.


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Wait, wait, wait! Have you never seen the stars and the moon? Imagine a beautiful starry night suddenly going black for 3 hours.

And the natives said something like, "Must be that a son of a god died on the other side of the planet where the sun shines." :lol:

Where did the natives come from Nipper? How are they tied to your Adam and his consort?

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Wait, wait, wait! Have you never seen the stars and the moon? Imagine a beautiful starry night suddenly going black for 3 hours.

And the natives said something like, "Must be that a son of a god died on the other side of the planet where the sun shines." :lol:

Where did the natives come from Nipper? How are they tied to your Adam and his consort?

They are connected to Adam through Noah's son through Asia by way of a land bridge post FLOOD.

HEBREW WORD STUDY ON THE NAME JAPHETH = ASIA

Yepheth {yeh'-feth}; Japheth. Name means enlarged, open spaces; including many coastal areas, spreading northward. Also means to entice, deceive, persuade, flatter, allure, and becken. Land of the Gentiles, which means people that are not Hebrew - of Eber. 'Lands of the North-East'. Japheth's lands will reach into the tents of Shem.


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Where did the natives come from Nipper? How are they tied to your Adam and his consort?
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They are connected to Adam through Noah's son through Asia by way of a land bridge post FLOOD.

HEBREW WORD STUDY ON THE NAME JAPHETH = ASIA

Yepheth {yeh'-feth}; Japheth. Name means enlarged, open spaces; including many coastal areas, spreading northward. Also means to entice, deceive, persuade, flatter, allure, and becken. Land of the Gentiles, which means people that are not Hebrew - of Eber. 'Lands of the North-East'. Japheth's lands will reach into the tents of Shem.

So another creationist that denies nuclear dating? Do you accept the RATE study? Because there's a problem with making the decay rates variable in the manner they suggest. First off, the behavior of the elements themselves would change if the laws of physics were to be altered such that the rate of decay could speed up to such an extent as necessary for young earth creationism to hold water. In other words elements that are normally stable would themselves become unstable and be subject to radioactive decay. Secondly, the amount of radiation (recorded in fission tracks so it cannot be denied even by young earthers) if released in the short period of time necessary for a young earth would involve enough energy to melt the planet.

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Where did the natives come from Nipper? How are they tied to your Adam and his consort?
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They are connected to Adam through Noah's son through Asia by way of a land bridge post FLOOD.

HEBREW WORD STUDY ON THE NAME JAPHETH = ASIA

Yepheth {yeh'-feth}; Japheth. Name means enlarged, open spaces; including many coastal areas, spreading northward. Also means to entice, deceive, persuade, flatter, allure, and becken. Land of the Gentiles, which means people that are not Hebrew - of Eber. 'Lands of the North-East'. Japheth's lands will reach into the tents of Shem.

So another creationist that denies nuclear dating? Do you accept the RATE study? Because there's a problem with making the decay rates variable in the manner they suggest. First off, the behavior of the elements themselves would change if the laws of physics were to be altered such that the rate of decay could speed up to such an extent as necessary for young earth creationism to hold water. In other words elements that are normally stable would themselves become unstable and be subject to radioactive decay. Secondly, the amount of radiation (recorded in fission tracks so it cannot be denied even by young earthers) if released in the short period of time necessary for a young earth would involve enough energy to melt the planet.

The problem with "Nuclear" dating is the simple realization that there is no expert who knows the intensity at which GOD created the elements originally. At what age did GOD create trees and plant life and animals? When GOD created Adam was he a baby or a healthy robust 28 looking year old man? The very same holds true for the ENTIRE universe. GOD the ARTIST created a perfect environment to house perfect beings. The moon is presently moving away from the earth at about 1 inch a year ----so how close was it 600,000,000 years ago if everything is occurring as it always has..?


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The problem with "Nuclear" dating is the simple realization that there is no expert who knows the intensity at which GOD created the elements originally.

What in your opinion would that have to do with nuclear dating??
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At what age did GOD create trees and plant life and animals?

Sometime over the last half billion years although he didn't leave any tells if he was involved in the process.

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When GOD created Adam was he a baby or a healthy robust 28 looking year old man?

A baby, otherwise he had to create neural connections that provided a memory that was false so that he'd know how to have motor functions sufficient to walk and talk etc. False memories would require a deceptive god.

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The very same holds true for the ENTIRE universe.

Omphalos "theory" then is it? Yeah, not very convincing to very many buy have at it. I'd prefer last Thursdayism, less complex. If you are going for simplicity may as well go all the way I say.

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GOD the ARTIST created a perfect environment to house perfect beings.

Oh so now he's an artist? Can't be satisfied with STEAM instead of STEM? We have to eliminate STEM altogether now? :lol:
Yes, he created the sun to give light on the earth per the biblical mythology. But that light created by the sun takes from 10,000 years on the fast tail of the curve to over 100,000 years on the longer end of the curve to get to us. So he had to create all the photons that we see as if they originated from the sun but really they were created in transit. Yawn. Why bother with creating the sun at all? It really hasn't served the purpose for which it was supposedly created in the first place.

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The moon is presently moving away from the earth at about 1 inch a year ----so how close was it 600,000,000 years ago if everything is occurring as it always has..?

Who said everything is occurring as fast as it always has? False equivalence there I'm afraid. If you are going to argue that the laws of physics are changing to that degree necessary for a young earth with nuclear decay rates changing then you must abandon the idea that the universe is fine tuned for life. Are you at least going to be that consistent in your thinking?

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