It is currently Sun Oct 21, 2018 7:21 pm

All times are UTC - 7 hours [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 27 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2
Author Message
 Post subject: Re: Why does The Book of Mormon teach 4th and 5th century Cr
PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2018 8:59 pm 
God
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jul 04, 2012 3:04 am
Posts: 4787
Location: Firmly on this earth
mikegriffith1 wrote:
Actually, if you understand the Hebraic background of the Book of Mormon, you can clearly see that the Book of Mormon teaches that there are three separate divine beings in the Godhead and that the Son is subordinate to the Father.


The Hebraic? Even the Hebrews didn't understand their God as a member of a threesome Godhead. What does Hebrew background bring that isn't normally grapsed?

_________________
Science is not reliable because it provides certainty. It is reliable because it provides us with the best answers we have at present. And it is reliability we need, not certainty. The most credible answers are the ones given by science, because science is the search for the most credible answers available, not for answers pretending to certainty. Carlo Rovelli


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: Why does The Book of Mormon teach 4th and 5th century Cr
PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 9:09 pm 
God

Joined: Wed Oct 25, 2006 2:12 am
Posts: 6088
Location: Arizona
mikegriffith1 wrote:
Actually, if you understand the Hebraic background of the Book of Mormon, you can clearly see that the Book of Mormon teaches that there are three separate divine beings in the Godhead and that the Son is subordinate to the Father.


Actually, it doesn't teach that in the Book of Mormon. The Book of Mormon doesn't teach that there are three separate divine beings in the Godhead and that the Son is subordinate to the Father.

2nd Nephi:

11:7 ...But there is a God, and he is Christ, and he cometh in the fulness of his own time.

26:12 And as I spake concerning the convincing of the Jews, that Jesus is the very Christ, it must needs be that the Gentiles be convinced also that Jesus is the Christ, the Eternal God;


Mosiah:

3:8 And he shall be called Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the Father of heaven and earth, the Creator of all things from the beginning; and his mother shall be called Mary.

5:15 Therefore, I would that ye should be steadfast and immovable, always abounding in good works, that Christ, the Lord God Omnipotent, may seal you his, that you may be brought to heaven, that ye may have everlasting salvation and eternal life, through the wisdom, and power, and justice, and mercy of him who created all things, in heaven and in earth, who is God above all. Amen.

7:27 And because he said unto them that Christ was the God, the Father of all things, and said that he should take upon him the image of man, and it should be the image after which man was created in the beginning; or in other words, he said that man was created after the image of God, and that God should come down among the children of men, and take upon him flesh and blood, and go forth upon the face of the earth --


Alma:

11:38-39 Now Zeezrom saith again unto him: Is the Son of God the very Eternal Father?
And Amulek said unto him: Yea, he is the very Eternal Father of heaven and of earth, and all things which in them are; he is the beginning and the end, the first and the last;

11:44 ...but every thing shall be restored to its perfect frame, as it is now, or in the body, and shall be brought and be arraigned before the bar of Christ the Son, and God the Father, and the Holy Spirit, which is one Eternal God, to be judged according to their works, whether they be good or whether they be evil.


Helaman:

14:12 And also that ye might know of the coming of Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the Father of heaven and of earth, the Creator of all things from the beginning; and that ye might know of the signs of his coming, to the intent that ye might believe on his name.


3rd Nephi:

11:14 Arise and come forth unto me, that ye may thrust your hands into my side, and also that ye may feel the prints of the nails in my hands and in my feet, that ye may know that I am the God of Israel, and the God of the whole earth, and have been slain for the sins of the world.

11:36 And thus will the Father bear record of me, and the Holy Ghost will bear record unto him of the Father and me; for the Father, and I, and the Holy Ghost are one.


Ether:

3:14 ...Behold, I am Jesus Christ. I am the Father and the Son. In me shall all mankind have life, and that eternally, even they who shall believe on my name; and they shall become my sons and my daughters.



And we have also 1st Nephi 11:18, 11:21, 11:32, and 13:40 from the 1830 edition of the Book of Mormon:

11:18 And he said unto me: Behold, the virgin which thou seest is the mother of God after the manner of the flesh.

11:21 And the angel said unto me: Behold the Lamb of God, yea, even the Eternal Father.

11:32 ...And I looked and beheld the Lamb of God, that he was taken by the people, yea, the everlasting God was judged of the world.

13:40 ...that the Lamb of God is the Eternal Father and the Savior of the world; and that all men must come unto Him, or they cannot be saved.

_________________
"And I've said it before, you want to know what Joseph Smith looked like in Nauvoo, just look at Trump." - Fence Sitter


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: Why does The Book of Mormon teach 4th and 5th century Cr
PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2018 10:39 am 
God

Joined: Wed Oct 25, 2006 2:12 am
Posts: 6088
Location: Arizona
Has the Celestial Forum now become a Ghost town?? There is not anybody posting around here anymore.

_________________
"And I've said it before, you want to know what Joseph Smith looked like in Nauvoo, just look at Trump." - Fence Sitter


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: Why does The Book of Mormon teach 4th and 5th century Cr
PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 9:39 am 
God

Joined: Mon Jul 09, 2012 7:07 pm
Posts: 1086
Location: Vancouver Washington
mikegriffith1 wrote:
Actually, if you understand the Hebraic background of the Book of Mormon, you can clearly see that the Book of Mormon teaches that there are three separate divine beings in the Godhead and that the Son is subordinate to the Father.


That's exactly what The Creeds teach, Three separate and distinct persons and line 33 of the Athanasion Creed says Jesus was subordinate and inferior to the Father

_________________
Justice = Getting what you deserve
Mercy = Not getting what you deserve
Grace = Getting what you can never deserve


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: Why does The Book of Mormon teach 4th and 5th century Cr
PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2018 8:34 am 
God
User avatar

Joined: Thu Mar 07, 2013 2:19 pm
Posts: 10945
Location: Multiverse
mikegriffith1 wrote:
Actually, if you understand the Hebraic background of the Book of Mormon, you can clearly see that the Book of Mormon teaches that there are three separate divine beings in the Godhead and that the Son is subordinate to the Father.


Really, Mike? You know there are a lot of Hebrew scholars in the world but...funny, they aren't Mormon. In fact most of them are Jewish and if you ask them about the Book of Mormon they will probably laugh their a@@es off. Try it. :lol:

I met Jonathan Shunary when he was working at BYU on a Hebrew translation of the Bible. He confided in me that he found it utterly unbelievable but it was a paying job. :lol: Jonathan was not LDS, you see.

_________________
You have made this ludicrous assertion about Israelite religion in the New World. Produce one shred of non-faith based evidence to prove it. --Philip Jenkins


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: Why does The Book of Mormon teach 4th and 5th century Cr
PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2018 7:11 pm 
God
User avatar

Joined: Fri Oct 27, 2006 2:42 pm
Posts: 19349
Location: Koloburbia
Maksutov wrote:
I met Jonathan Shunary when he was working at BYU on a Hebrew translation of the Bible. He confided in me that he found it utterly unbelievable but it was a paying job. :lol: Jonathan was not LDS, you see.

Was he the author who wrote:
Quote:
Cows and Oxen in a tropical rainforest?
Israelites speaking Egyptian 600 years after the exodus?
Steel. Oh, and STEEL?

_________________
Cry Heaven and let loose the Penguins of Peace


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 27 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2

All times are UTC - 7 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Google [Bot] and 13 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Jump to:  
Revival Theme By Brandon Designs By B.Design-Studio © 2007-2008 Brandon
Revival Theme Based off SubLite By Echo © 2007-2008 Echo
Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group