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 Post subject: Open Letter to Dr. Shades
PostPosted: Sat Nov 30, 2019 5:29 pm 
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Brother Shades,

You’re a fine man. You’re a decent dude. You’re a pretty good moderator. All the free work you’ve given this forum over the years is verging on sainthood.

A humble request.

Would you please put one-trick ponies into either Paradise or Prison? You did it to LDSFAQS. You can do it for whatever Smokey is. No one’s free speech is censored. It’s just moved to an appropriate area of the board for people who can’t seem to talk about anything else but that ONE thing. It’s boring, and detracts from the overall health and wealth of Mormon-related topics discussed on this board.

I only put this on this forum for visibility. Feel free to move this at your discretion.

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 Post subject: Re: Open Letter to Dr. Shades
PostPosted: Sat Nov 30, 2019 7:52 pm 
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Good point, Cam. Smokey's posts are beyond the pale. Shades board was not meant for 4Chan material. This board is dedicated to Mormon criticism, not antisemitism and right-wing nuttery.

What about a Spirit 1000 Year Reich forum?

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 Post subject: Re: Open Letter to Dr. Shades
PostPosted: Sat Nov 30, 2019 8:43 pm 
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This board is dedicated to Mormon criticism, and NEVER any critical thoughts about Judaism or other beliefs. We just want to criticize Mormons here!


I fixed your quote for you. By the way, if I’ve violated any rules with my completely PG rated thread about Biblical and Book of Mormon genealogy, I’d appreciate being made aware so I don’t make the same mistake again.

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 Post subject: Re: Open Letter to Dr. Shades
PostPosted: Sat Nov 30, 2019 9:22 pm 
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I fixed your quote for you. By the way, if I’ve violated any rules with my completely PG rated thread about Biblical and Book of Mormon genealogy, I’d appreciate being made aware so I don’t make the same mistake again.


Yes, there have been PG movies with Nazis in them. Fortunately, in most of them the Nazis got their asses kicked nine ways to Sunday.

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 Post subject: Re: Open Letter to Dr. Shades
PostPosted: Sun Dec 01, 2019 12:52 am 
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Dear Dr. Shades,

I agree that the Smokey thread should be moved, in its entirety, to a more appropriate forum on the board. His bigotry and hate are not what our guests should be seeing when they visit the Terrestrial Forum.

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 Post subject: Re: Open Letter to Dr. Shades
PostPosted: Sun Dec 01, 2019 10:47 am 
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For the record, Smokey needing to go on queue in the Terrestrial forum after this morning's display was brought on by Smokey. It isn't an act of free expression to spam a board with walls of garbage.

Should grindael take ownership for initiating the spamming? Yeah. That was dumb.

But for the sake of the board I don't think it can be left unaddressed. Smokey needs to go on queue.

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 Post subject: Re: Open Letter to Dr. Shades
PostPosted: Sun Dec 01, 2019 10:52 am 
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I’m wondering why huge blocks of SPAM are tolerated on this thread?

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=52671

I’ve reposted an example of this in a few different threads in case they missed it so the mods might be able to see it.

I’ve only posted thoughtful dialogue in that thread and nothing hateful that could be considered hate speech, or in violation of any rules.

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 Post subject: Re: Open Letter to Dr. Shades
PostPosted: Sun Dec 01, 2019 10:53 am 
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Then don't read his posts? What cracks me up is hate is apparently OK, when it agrees to ones own ideology and political views.

We can hate and show bigotry all day long on DCP, Mormons, Christians, Politicians...etc ...but once in a while, as in this case, folks are all of a sudden offended by it.

Ignore him and he will go away, feed him and he will stay.

I will now show my bigotry and hate, for memer's, and ask Shade to ban all memes from all the boards and create a new one that is for memes only.

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 Post subject: Re: Open Letter to Dr. Shades
PostPosted: Sun Dec 01, 2019 10:59 am 
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Smokey wrote:
I’m wondering why huge blocks of SPAM are tolerated on this thread?

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=52671

I’ve reposted an example of this in a few different threads in case they missed it so the mods might be able to see it.

I’ve only posted thoughtful dialogue in that thread and nothing hateful that could be considered hate speech, or in violation of any rules.

Then you'll go back and delete the posts with the quotes in order to unspam those threads and be content with your link to grindael's posts to which you wish to call attention?

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 Post subject: Re: Open Letter to Dr. Shades
PostPosted: Sun Dec 01, 2019 11:06 am 
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We can hate and show bigotry all day long on DCP, Mormons, Christians, Politicians...etc ...but once in a while, as in this case, folks are all of a sudden offended by it.

Smokey isn't attempting to engage in discussion on the content of his posts in any meaningful way. Reminds me of some other posters I know but still, I don't see the issue being the targets of his post are off limits, as vile as his approach to the argument may be. It's that his behavior is only meant to disrupt the board.

Regardless, you're right to the extent he'll go away if not fed. But since he started spamming the board with walls of garbage it isn't as simple as not replying to him. The garbage needs put on queue.

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 Post subject: Re: Open Letter to Dr. Shades
PostPosted: Sun Dec 01, 2019 11:08 am 
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If criticizing Jews is anti-Semitic (even though Jews aren’t Semites), what is it called when you criticize Mormons?

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 01, 2019 11:15 am 
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Smokey wrote:
I’m wondering why huge blocks of SPAM are tolerated on this thread?

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=52671

I’ve reposted an example of this in a few different threads in case they missed it so the mods might be able to see it.

I’ve only posted thoughtful dialogue in that thread and nothing hateful that could be considered hate speech, or in violation of any rules.

Then you'll go back and delete the posts with the quotes in order to unspam those threads and be content with your link to grindael's posts to which you wish to call attention?


I have attempted thoughtful dialogue only to receive massive amounts of abuse.

I certainly hope the moderators will remove the blatant rule violations that were done for the sole purpose of disrupting thoughtful dialogue, or at least be acknowledged.

I would never resort to such desperate tactics and the poster that is doing it, the one using the pseudonym grindael, should be held accountable.

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 Post subject: Re: Open Letter to Dr. Shades
PostPosted: Sun Dec 01, 2019 11:23 am 
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Smokey wrote:
If criticizing Jews is anti-Semitic (even though Jews aren’t Semites), what is it called when you criticize Mormons?

Anti-Semitism was coined as a term in order to distance hatred for the Jewish people from the Jewish religion. It was coined by a proto-Nazi in Germany in the late 19th century as a way of referring to their corrupted blood lines being inherently bad.

You have a parallel where people are attacking Mormons for being Mormon as a people because their blood is bad? That would probably be the only legitimate claim someone is engaging in parallel anti-Mormon rhetoric. Most of that type of content gets moved to the telestial forum on this board. The posters who were most likely to engage in it were on queue in this forum for that very reason.

Taking issue with the Mormon church's claims isn't anti-Mormon. Most of what takes place on this forum (terrestrial) is aimed at making point and counter-points regarding claims with supporting evidence. It isn't patty cakes and gets rough, but the unifying factor is the discussion requires defense of a point made with reasonable supporting evidence.

So, right now I think there is more than enough precedent to say your behavior warrants being put on queue in this forum. You need to learn manners before being allowed at the grown-up table apparently.

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 Post subject: Re: Open Letter to Dr. Shades
PostPosted: Sun Dec 01, 2019 11:31 am 
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Smokey wrote:
If criticizing Jews is anti-Semitic (even though Jews aren’t Semites), what is it called when you criticize Mormons?



Is there an equivalent example of crazy-arse claims on this board directed towards LDS that is similar to what you've posted regarding Jews?

No.

Is there an equivalent example of imagery on this board directed towards LDS that is similar to what you've posted regarding Jews?

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 Post subject: Re: Open Letter to Dr. Shades
PostPosted: Sun Dec 01, 2019 11:35 am 
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canpakes wrote:
Smokey wrote:
If criticizing Jews is anti-Semitic (even though Jews aren’t Semites), what is it called when you criticize Mormons?



Is there an equivalent example of crazy-arse claims on this board directed towards LDS that is similar to what you've posted regarding Jews?

No.

Is there an equivalent example of imagery on this board directed towards LDS that is similar to what you've posted regarding Jews?

No.

Well, technically there are. Shulem was on queue in this forum for good reason. The Telestial forum has some pretty, uh, unpleasant content at time. There are posters who are simply against all things Mormon, end of sentence. I don't agree with those posters any more than I agree with Smokey. They have their space for that, though.

Where Smokey gets it wrong is in painting the entire board with this brush. And he belongs on queue in Terrestrial until he can demonstrate he gets that.

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 Post subject: Re: Open Letter to Dr. Shades
PostPosted: Sun Dec 01, 2019 11:36 am 
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I have attempted thoughtful dialogue only to receive massive amounts of abuse.


Oh, yes - all of those images of hook-nosed people, postings of doctored photos and racist 4chan talking points are attempts at 'thoughtful dialogue'.

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 Post subject: Re: Open Letter to Dr. Shades
PostPosted: Sun Dec 01, 2019 11:37 am 
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Markk wrote:
Then don't read his posts? What cracks me up is hate is apparently OK, when it agrees to ones own ideology and political views.

We can hate and show bigotry all day long on DCP, Mormons, Christians, Politicians...etc ...but once in a while, as in this case, folks are all of a sudden offended by it.


How is it that an adult can be so daft? I literally reserved a request for people who are ONE-TRICK-PONY-POSTERS.

In your attempt to engage in whataboutism you have offered up FOUR different topics which would PRECLUDE my request. Why? Because MULTIPLE TOPICS makes for an interesting discussion board.

Jesus Christ it's like some dudes are just stuck in the neutral position. Markk. ____ your brain. Please.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 01, 2019 11:39 am 
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honorentheos wrote:
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If criticizing Jews is anti-Semitic (even though Jews aren’t Semites), what is it called when you criticize Mormons?

Anti-Semitism was coined as a term


Let’s just stop here. No. You are incorrect.

It’s not a term that can be coined. It is a word with meaning.

Anti- against

Semite- Shem, or descendants of Shem.

Stop trying to change words to fit your bizarre reasoning.

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in order to distance hatred for the Jewish people from the Jewish religion. It was coined by a proto-Nazi in Germany in the late 19th century as a way of referring to their corrupted blood lines being inherently bad.


Everything you just wrote is false.

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You have a parallel where people are attacking Mormons for being Mormon as a people because their blood is bad? That would probably be the only legitimate claim someone is engaging in parallel anti-Mormon rhetoric.


This is equally nonsensical. If criticizing the incorrect assumptions of Jews, such as the tribe of Judah being the “Chosen People” in the Bible and Book of Mormon is anti-Semitic (even though the tribe of Judah are not Semites), it can only logically be called anti-Mormon to criticize the incorrect assumptions of Mormons.

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Taking issue with the Mormon church's claims isn't anti-Mormon.


So it follows that likewise, criticizing the Jewish church’s claims isn’t anti-Semitic (even though Jews aren’t Semites).


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So, right now I think there is more than enough precedent to say your behavior warrants being put on queue in this forum.


I’ve not violated any rules and have engaged in thoughtful dialogue in good faith.

You’re now ironically complaining that I am quoting one of grindael’s SPAM posts, one of many that was made in this forum, and yet you did not complain about any of those SPAM posts that I am quoting.

I’m pretty sure that you just proved yourself to be a hypocrite.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 01, 2019 11:42 am 
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I should add I've had Smokey on Ignore for virtually the entire time he demonstrated he's a one-trick-pony-poster. I don't really care if a person has objectionable views, whether it's Ajax's insane supremacist views, Kevin Graham's "LET'S GIVE COMMUNISM A TRY BECAUSE FOR SOME REASON IT'LL WORK THIS TIME", or what's-his-face's "Mormon Lay" view on sexuality.

But just hammering away at Da Joos, or Da Blacks, or Da Libs on a Mormon DISCUSSION board gets distracting, hence moving the Da Joos threads to the Paradise or Prison forums seems like the way to go.

Just my two cents...

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 01, 2019 11:45 am 
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honorentheos wrote:
Smokey wrote:
If criticizing Jews is anti-Semitic (even though Jews aren’t Semites), what is it called when you criticize Mormons?

Anti-Semitism was coined as a term


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Let’s just stop here. No. You are incorrect.

It’s not a term that can be coined. It is a word with meaning.

Anti- against

Semite- Shem, or descendants of Shem.

Stop trying to change words to fit your bizarre reasoning.

And words have origins. In this case, it was coined and popularized by a guy with a name - Wilhelm Marr. He was a 19th Century German propogandist against Jews who put the term out there to attempt to justify his hatred of Jewish people based on their having corrupted blood. He deliberately removed the reference to the Jewish religion to distance his hateful propaganda from being about religious belief so that it could be understood as referring to a group of people with common ancestry.

That's just history, Smokey. And it's how facts work. You don't get to ignore them because you don't like them and pretend like they don't exist without having to exile yourself into a la-la land echo chamber. Welcome to terrestrial.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 01, 2019 11:46 am 
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Well, technically there are. Shulem was on queue in this forum for good reason. The Telestial forum has some pretty, uh, unpleasant content at time.


Shulem certainly has some risque content down in Telestial. But he would need to step it up quite a bit to match Smokey's obsession with neo-nazi talking points, disparaging imagery and debunked revisionist history.

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Jews planned, pushed and run all of: sexual revolution and homosexual propaganda & rights, feminist empowerment and White couples low birth rate, abortion laws and propaganda, Islamization of Europe, antiWhite propaganda in media & education, multiculturalism and dozens of thousands of horrible crimes, rapes, thefts per year done by non-Whites on Whites, Porn, race-mixing-miscegination (sic), Church of Satan, atheism, secularism, moral decay, chemtrails, vaccines, flourided (sic) drinks and poisoned food that destroy the intelligence-IQ/health of Whites, and finally the certain future of Whites becoming a powerless minority in Europe, America, Australia, Canada by 2040-2060 and the complete Eradication of White-Western Civilization by 2100


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