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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 2:53 am 
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The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints embraces the book of Abraham as scripture.


https://www.LDS.org/topics/translation-and-historicity-of-the-book-of-abraham

The Pearl of Great Price
A Selection from the Revelations, Translations, and Narrations of Joseph Smith First Prophet, Seer, and Revelator to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints

The Book of Abraham
Translated from the Papyrus, by Joseph Smith

A Translation of some ancient Records that have fallen into our hands from the catacombs of Egypt. The writings of Abraham while he was in Egypt, called the Book of Abraham, written by his own hand, upon papyrus.


A Facsimile from the Book of Abraham No. 3

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1. Abraham sitting upon Pharaoh’s throne, by the politeness of the king, with a crown upon his head, representing the Priesthood, as emblematical of the grand Presidency in Heaven; with the scepter of justice and judgment in his hand.
2. King Pharaoh, whose name is given in the characters above his head.
3. Signifies Abraham in Egypt as given also in Figure 10 of Facsimile No. 1.
4. Prince of Pharaoh, King of Egypt, as written above the hand.
5. Shulem, one of the king’s principal waiters, as represented by the characters above his hand.
6. Olimlah, a slave belonging to the prince.

Abraham is reasoning upon the principles of Astronomy, in the king’s court.

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THE LDS CHURCH MUST ACCOUNT FOR HOW THEIR SCRIPTURE (WORD OF GOD) CONVERTS ANCIENT EGYPTIAN HIEROGLYPHIC WRITING AND ICONIC IMAGERY OF A PROMINENT EGYPTIAN GOD INTO A SO-CALLED "SLAVE" BY THE NAME "OLIMLAH".

MODERN EGYPTOLOGY HAS PROVEN THAT THIS Mormon SCRIPTURE AND REVELATION IS UTTERLY FALSE!

I DEMAND THAT THE Mormon CHURCH APOLOGIZE FOR INSULTING A CHIEF GOD OF ANOTHER RELIGION AND MISREPRESENTING SACRED WRITINGS AND IMAGERY OF PAPYRUS THAT WAS PRODUCED UNDER THE DIRECTION OF THE ANCIENT EGYPTIAN PRIESTHOOD.

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This book, a record of the biblical prophet and patriarch Abraham, recounts how Abraham sought the blessings of the priesthood, rejected the idolatry of his father, covenanted with Jehovah, married Sarai, moved to Canaan and Egypt, and received knowledge about the Creation. The book of Abraham largely follows the biblical narrative but adds important information regarding Abraham’s life and teachings.



The LDS church claims that a translation of some ancient records fell into the hands of Joseph Smith and that they were the writings of Abraham while he was in Egypt which he wrote with his own hand upon papyrus. The Facsimile from the Book of Abraham No. 3 is part of this record. The church further claims that this work adds important information regarding Abraham's life and teachings.

Modern Egyptology and science has proven that the writing and imagery of Facsimile No. 3 is a religious work from the ancient Egyptian book of the dead and has nothing to do with Abraham in Egypt or any of the characters Joseph Smith claimed by revelation and translation.

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints to this day continues to print false translations and statements given by Joseph Smith who claimed he was restoring knowledge of the papyrus of Facsimile No. 3. This of course, prior to the time before science cracked the code to the Egyptian language.

I call upon the Mormon church to apologize for the false statements made against the Egyptian religion and for slandering one of the chief gods (Anubis) of ancient Egypt and making a mockery of their scripture!

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The book of Abraham was first published in 1842 and was canonized as part of the Pearl of Great Price in 1880. The book originated with Egyptian papyri that Joseph Smith translated beginning in 1835. Many people saw the papyri, but no eyewitness account of the translation survives, making it impossible to reconstruct the process.


Indeed, the Facsimile No. 3 was canonized by the LDS church in 1880 and the Explanations of Facsimile No. 3 are considered to be Mormon scripture, the word of God. However, the words on the papyrus of Facsimile No. 3 are actually the words of the Egyptian gods and a part of the ancient Egyptian religion. It can be argued that Joseph Smith stole these things from the Egyptians for his own purposes just as he stole the Masonic rituals and incorporated them into the cult temple rituals of Mormonism. Joseph Smith had a habit of stealing things that did not belong to him, to include other men's wives. . . .

Nonetheless, the statement made by LDS Inc. above is false. Many people did in fact see the papyri and there are in fact EYEWITNESS ACCOUNTS OF THE TRANSLATION which have survived being comprised in the so-called Kirtland Papers, to include: Alphabet & Grammar of the Egyptian Language and other translation documents which the church had hidden away and refused to publish. These works make it possible to reconstruct how Joseph Smith and his associates were mishandling the Egyptian language and making things up as they went along.

The modern LDS church today has a lot to account for and is guilty of hiding things away and keeping these matters from their members because the evidence will destroy the faith that Joseph Smith was actually translating Egyptian. The secrecy in hiding these things up and keeping their members in the dark is a travesty. How utterly shameful of the Mormon church! But when it comes to Mormonism it's all about keeping dark secrets and keeping things hushed. That's why Joseph Smith ordered that the Expositor printing press be burned lest he be discovered publicly that he was a fraud! And that, I may add, was a crime.

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Only small fragments of the long papyrus scrolls once in Joseph Smith’s possession exist today. The relationship between those fragments and the text we have today is largely a matter of conjecture.


Although the fragments may appear "small" (a word that is relative) compared to the entire scroll, these fragments, nonetheless, are key sections used by Joseph Smith and his companions to study, interpret, document, and translate. The Kirtland Egyptian Papers which the church has kept from the members are undeniable proof that Joseph Smith was using those fragments to unlock his story of the Book of Abraham. The very hieroglyphic characters surrounding the Lion Couch scene of Facsimile No. 1 are showcased in the Kirtland Egyptian Papers and used to create Smith's story of Abraham in Egypt. The revelations are traced right back to the Facsimile No. 1 fragment which is the point mentioned in the Book of Abraham itself as the commencement of the record.

Shrugging away the connection between the Facsimile No. 1 fragment and the Kirtland Egyptian Papers as a matter of conjecture as if it bears no direct consequence to the original revelations is a BOLD FACE LIE presented by the LDS church.

If the church really wanted to be honest they'd publish the Kirtland Egyptian Papers in its entirety along with all the known statements and comments made by Joseph Smith and his associates regarding the production of the Book of Abraham from the Egyptian papyrus and let the members study it for themselves and connect all the dots. Present all the evidence to the church and let's just see how much conjecture we can sweep under the rug!

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Only small fragments of the long papyrus scrolls once in Joseph Smith’s possession exist today. The relationship between those fragments and the text we have today is largely a matter of conjecture.


Good grief, more needs to be said regarding the above paragraph.

This is a pitiful attempt to sway the ignorant reader into thinking that the papyrus Smith used to translate is missing and is therefore impossible to evaluate or confirm Smith's translation of the Book of Abraham. And with that notion, they posit that Joseph Smith's translation is off the hook and the church is still true! The essay is crafted in deception and omission to the facts and is designed to appease stupid, ignorant, and brainwashed people who don't know jack ____ about the Book of Abraham saga. And regarding Mormons who do know about the workings of the Book of Abraham saga and attempt to defend it are liars being men/women of low esteem -- the trash of the world, those who love to deceive.

I stress that a critical piece of the papyrus (vignette) translated by Joseph Smith still exists in the form of Facsimile No. 3. We have 100% of that original vignette hieroglyphic writing as well as the icons and characters because Facsimile No. 3 is a snap shot of the original papyrus which Smith translated. The church is stuck with the Facsimile and the so-called Egyptian Explanations which are inseparably assigned to them by the pretended translator, Joseph Smith.

But, in modern times it has been proven that the relationship between the Vignette of Facsimile No. 3 and Joseph Smith's Explanations is a death blow to Smith's credibility and ability to translate the Egyptian language as he claimed to do.

THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE FACSIMILE NO. 3 AND THE EXPLANATIONS OF THE THINGS CONTAINED IN THE FACSIMILE PROVES JOSEPH SMITH WAS A FRAUD! THE APOLOGIST IS LEFT WITHOUT EXCUSE AND IS LEFT TO LIE AND DENY THE TRUTH AS IF LOOKING AT THE SUN AND SAYING IT IS NOT SHINING. THEY ARE LIKE THE SONS OF PERDITION AS DESCRIBED IN Mormon SCRIPTURE BECAUSE THEY DENY TRUTH WHEN IT STARES THEM IN THE FACE. I LIKEN THE LDS APOLOGISTS AS SONS OF PERDITION. PEOPLE LIKE THAT ARE HARMING THE WORLD AND LEADING PEOPLE INTO DARKNESS AND LIES.

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We do know some things about the translation process. The word translation typically assumes an expert knowledge of multiple languages. Joseph Smith claimed no expertise in any language.


Now the essay wants to dance around the word translation as if it's just too hot to handle and no one really understands what translation means. This is a ridiculous attempt to muddy the water and make it all seam confusing. Look, translation from Egyptian to English is really simple. It means you take one language and convert it into another and that the reader/writer has to have a good enough understanding of both languages to translate texts -- like translating German into French or Spanish into English. It's really that simple, folks. That's what translating a language is. Hello! Even the dumb ass school teachers (such as DCP) at BYU are smart enough to translate a language -- or convert one language into another. Hello!

In the case of the Egyptian papyrus, Joseph Smith and his buddies claimed to be taking the ancient hieroglyphic writing and translating it into modern English for our convenience. It was assumed that the actual story of Abraham was contained on the papyrus so that even an ancient Egyptian that could read his native language could have read all about Abraham from the very scroll in question.

Now this business of Joseph Smith not claiming to be an expert in any language is just pure smoke on the part of the essay. Smith loved to boast about his ability to read foreign words and languages and he dabbled in the Hebrew and rambled on about his ability do to so in The Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith. Therein he also touched upon other various words to include the Egyptian word "mon". Yes, Joseph Smith was fascinated by language and by all accounts he was an expert of the English language for sure. He wrote quite a bit of stuff and declared himself as God's TRANSLATOR to the church and world.

And notwithstanding what idiot modern Mormons of our day think there is no question that idiot Mormons of Smith's day really thought he was reading the papyrus and translating the hieroglyphic writing into English. That is exactly what the idiot Mormons thought! That is what they claimed too! but we see the idiot Mormons of our day don't know jack about the old Mormon church.

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He readily acknowledged that he was one of the “weak things of the world,” called to speak words sent “from heaven.” Speaking of the translation of the Book of Mormon, the Lord said, “You cannot write that which is sacred save it be given you from me.” The same principle can be applied to the book of Abraham. The Lord did not require Joseph Smith to have knowledge of Egyptian. By the gift and power of God, Joseph received knowledge about the life and teachings of Abraham.


Now the essay wants to paint Joseph as a humble translator of God as if to cut the bastard some slack, perhaps for all the lying he said about Facsimile No. 3? So the essay would have us believe that Joseph didn't really know how to translate but it was God putting words in his mouth such as the so-called Egyptian words found in the Explanation of Facsimile No. 3 which are supposed to identity the persons and characters of the vignette. But we know that Joseph's God failed to identity anyone correctly in the vignette and neither can he read Egyptian. So, the bottom line is that Joseph Smith and the Mormon God can't read Egyptian and have lied to the world about translating the text and figures of Facsimile No. 3. Both Joseph Smith and Mormon God are liars and cannot translate the ancient Egyptian language into English.

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Look, translation from Egyptian to English is really simple. It means you take one language and convert it into another and that the reader/writer has to have a good enough understanding of both languages to translate texts -- like translating German into French or Spanish into English. It's really that simple, folks. That's what translating a language is. Hello! Even the dumb ass school teachers (such as DCP) at BYU are smart enough to translate a language -- or convert one language into another. Hello!
Hello! Even I am dumb ass smart enough to translate to and from Martian ---
... online ... (this means I read English and got Hungarian - then I am thinking/assembling in Hungarian and write English)


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Now the essay wants to dance around the word translation as if it's just too hot to handle and no one really understands what translation means. This is a ridiculous attempt to muddy the water and make it all seam confusing.
That is.

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... online ... (this means I read English and got Hungarian - then I am thinking/assembling in Hungarian and write English)


At some point it becomes necessary to just let ole Joe ____ Smith off the hook because after all, he was translating under the influence of the Mormon Holy Ghost, his God. So, I think we should just appeal to authority and put the blame where it lies and tell it to his face:

Dear Mormon God,

You helped Joe Smith translate the papyrus into the Book of Abraham but modern science has determined that you lack an understanding of the ancient Egyptian language and are not qualified to translate Egyptian into English. Therefore, God, you don't know what the ____ you are talking about so please just shut the ____ up. You, Mormon God, and your dumb ass Holy Ghost are a couple of idiots. So take your translation of the Joseph Smith papyri to include the Explanations of Facsimile No. 3 and shove it where the sun doesn't shine.

You God, are a liar.

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Paul. Dude. Did you switch teams?


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Paul. Dude. Did you switch teams?

Yes I did. Now I'm on the winning team. The side of truth. ____ faith! Science and reality are what matter. Mormons have their heads up their ____ asses. And by the way, I'm an antimormon and an antichrist.

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I always knew you had it in you, unlike those con-men that defend the con-man.

What do you mean you are anti-Christ? You don't believe in Jesus, or you think he's an asshole?


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I always knew you had it in you, unlike those con-men that defend the con-man.

What do you mean you are anti-Christ? You don't believe in Jesus, or you think he's an asshole?


The whole thing is a bunch of blood cult religious ____. I'm an atheist. I don't believe in any of that bible ____.

Nice to reconnect with you, Bat.

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THE LDS CHURCH MUST ACCOUNT FOR HOW THEIR SCRIPTURE (WORD OF GOD) CONVERTS ANCIENT EGYPTIAN HIEROGLYPHIC WRITING AND ICONIC IMAGERY OF A PROMINENT EGYPTIAN GOD INTO A SO-CALLED "SLAVE" BY THE NAME "OLIMLAH".

MODERN EGYPTOLOGY HAS PROVEN THAT THIS Mormon SCRIPTURE AND REVELATION IS UTTERLY FALSE!

I DEMAND THAT THE Mormon CHURCH APOLOGIZE FOR INSULTING A CHIEF GOD OF ANOTHER RELIGION AND MISREPRESENTING SACRED WRITINGS AND IMAGERY OF PAPYRUS THAT WAS PRODUCED UNDER THE DIRECTION OF THE ANCIENT EGYPTIAN PRIESTHOOD.


http://olimlah.webs.com/

The LDS church is not getting off the hook. Ram it right down its ____ throat until it chokes. I believe that if enough complaints are generated over this single issue and it becomes incessantly made public the LDS church will be forced to detract the Explanations of Facsimile No. 3 from its canon.

And apologists who deny the Explanations as revelation or scripture are lying Mormons of the worst degree, full of ____, bastards, sons of Mormon perdition. To them I lift my right hand to the square and curse you by your own ____ god!

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The LDS church is not getting off the hook. Ram it right down its ____ throat until it chokes. I believe that if enough complaints are generated over this single issue and it becomes incessantly made public the LDS church will be forced to detract the Explanations of Facsimile No. 3 from its canon.

And apologists who deny the Explanations as revelation or scripture are lying Mormons of the worst degree, full of ____, bastards, sons of Mormon perdition. To them I lift my right hand to the square and curse you by your own ____ god!


Yeah, Paul, but what if all the Egyptologists are wrong? What if every expert in the field, every leaned person who has spent their entire life translating hieroglyphic and hieratic scripts have been doing it wrong all this time?

What if Joe (with his magic rocks) and even though he couldn't speak Egyptian, was the only person on the planet to ever correctly decipher Egyptian? What then?

As far as I know, Joe was the only person to ever recognize that the King of Egypt's personal name was Pharaoh. He is also the only person to realize that Hor was actually Shulem, a servant.

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The LDS church is not getting off the hook. Ram it right down its f*****g throat until it chokes. I believe that if enough complaints are generated over this single issue and it becomes incessantly made public the LDS church will be forced to detract the Explanations of Facsimile No. 3 from its canon.

And apologists who deny the Explanations as revelation or scripture are lying Mormons of the worst degree, full of s***, bastards, sons of Mormon perdition. To them I lift my right hand to the square and curse you by your own f*****g god!


Yeah, Paul, but what if all the Egyptologists are wrong? What if every expert in the field, every leaned person who has spent their entire life translating hieroglyphic and hieratic scripts have been doing it wrong all this time?

What if Joe (with his magic rocks) and even though he couldn't speak Egyptian, was the only person on the planet to ever correctly decipher Egyptian? What then?

As far as know, Joe was the only person to ever recognize that the King of Egypt's personal name was Pharaoh. He is also the only person to realize that Hor was actually Shulem, a servant.


It is also possible that Strawberry Shortcake wrote the Book of Abraham, and everybody that says that it was Joseph Smith that "translated" it has been wrong this whole time. Neither one of those scenarios are very likely, are they? All the evidence points to Joseph smith making the whole thing up, because that's what con-artists do.


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It is also possible that Strawberry Shortcake wrote the Book of Abraham, and everybody that says that it was Joseph Smith that "translated" it has been wrong this whole time. Neither one of those scenarios are very likely, are they? All the evidence points to Joseph smith making the whole thing up, because that's what con-artists do.


That's the trouble with message boards. I don't know you that well because you are pretty new here (welcome, by the way!) and I'm not quite sure if you saw that I was writing a little smart-assed irony.

I don't know as much about Strawberry Shortcake as I should, but I have a strong suspicion that Joe was pulling our leg.

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I want to point out that the essay on the LDS website is not an official declaration by the church to be received as doctrine or revelation. It's simply a few paragraphs of instruction given by scholarly persons assigned by the brethren to address different points of view regarding the issues.

The essay can come and go at will and the church will not stand by it. It is not a "Thus saith the Lord" and has not been given to the church as a revelation from the prophet.

Bottom line, the essay is just a steamy turd in the LDS toilet that can be flushed at any time.

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Before moving on to pick the ____ essay apart, I want to remind everyone that my former Book of Abraham apologetics may well become the mainstream Mormon view before too long. But not to fear, my old apologetics has fatal flaws and I can easily destroy it:

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"The information on this page will inform you of an innovative approach to understanding the Egyptian symbolism contained in the Book of Abraham (BofA). Joseph Smith was a prophet and the BofA is a true story written by Abraham long ago. The Lord revealed to Joseph Smith the story of Abraham by means of papyri that fell into the prophet's hands, and by revelation through a seer stone, the original account of Abraham's experiences were restored. In addition, I have reason to believe the Egyptian Alphabet & Grammar created by Joseph Smith and his scribes is an inspired work − a partial restoration of an extinct language had by the ancients.

The papyrus Joseph Smith possessed wasn't the original papyrus made by Abraham. The prophet did not translate hieroglyphic text using conventional methods. The book was miraculously restored by spiritual means using symbolism coupled with inspiration as the driving force. The theories presented in this website make a major paradigm shift, conceptualizing the issues differently than apologetics typically offered by scholars at BYU/FARMS. I am of the opinion that Egyptologists today could not produce the Book of Abraham out of the same papyrus had by Joseph Smith. Non-Mormon Egyptologist Juan Castillos gracefully and succinctly said:

'If one day a statement is made that what Joseph Smith translated were concepts transmitted to him by God, not necessarily the ordinary understanding of such ancient documents, then there could be no further opposition between the readings made by scholars of these objects and that made by the Prophet since it would become strictly a matter of faith which would be outside our field of study'.

Before examining the symbolism of the Book of Abraham found throughout this site, it is crucial to understand that much of the process by which the Book of Abraham was restored could best be described in one word: Representationalism. It is evident that the Facsimiles of the Book of Abraham are common Egyptian funerary papyri that were spiritually translated by Joseph Smith. This translation was not a conventional one, being that understanding Egyptian hieroglyphs had not yet been attained. Rather, the Egyptian iconographic imagery served as a framework for the revelation to explain the narrative about Abraham. The Facsimiles served as symbolic representations, facilitating the process of revelation resulting in the Book of Abraham.

Joseph received inspiration through Egyptian iconography in order to open his mind up to the story of Abraham. The funerary papyrus served as a proxy for Abraham’s original document which was lost in antiquity. Through revelation the story unfolded while the funerary vignettes and hieroglyphs were used as a catalyst by which the Book of Abraham was restored.

It is God's privilege to sanctify whatsoever he will, the unclean can become clean, an example of this is shown in St Peter's vision of animals that were forbidden to be eaten under Mosaic law (Acts 10:15), but now may be eaten by all. Likewise, God can cleanse Egyptian iconography for his own sake and glory, and used them to bear witness of himself!"

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It is also possible that Strawberry Shortcake wrote the Book of Abraham, and everybody that says that it was Joseph Smith that "translated" it has been wrong this whole time. Neither one of those scenarios are very likely, are they? All the evidence points to Joseph smith making the whole thing up, because that's what con-artists do.


Bat,

The ____ lying Mormons are going to fully embrace my former BofA apologetics and leave Hugh Nibley to rot in his ____ grave and suffer in hell for raping his daughter.

Facsimile No. 3 is the key to shooting the LDS church down and dropping the lying bastards to their knees. Focus on the Explanations of Facsimile No. 3 and the part about Olimlah is the bomb that will blow up in the faces of the ____ apologists that love to spin and make lies. The Egyptian god Anubis is the star witness to the entire BofA and will break the ____ back of so-called Mormon revelation/translation -- and throw Mormonism to the ____ ground, body slammed.

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 Post subject: Re: Translation and Historicity of the Book of Abraham
PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2014 6:42 pm 
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Shulem wrote:
lying Mormons are going to fully embrace my former BofA apologetics and leave Hugh Nibley to rot in his f*****g grave and suffer in hell for raping his daughter.


i had a book of Mormon class at BYU with nibley. i went to his house to turn in my final. i took a step inside his house.

if you thought he smelled like a bucket of rotten filth when he was on campus, you should have smelled his goddamn house. the dude was rotting long before he found the goddamn grave. i promise you.

i finished his class with a fantastic D. i am more proud of that than the As i got in accounting, that is for damn sure. the funniest part of a nibley class, by far, by a ____ lot, was watching the ____ in his class take notes. nibley did not say anything that made more sense than the syllables and pauses from eddie vedder on a heroin bender while singing about mookie blaylock.

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