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 Post subject: Re: Telestial thread Scratchism and The Moral Black Hole of
PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 8:57 am 
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Perhaps if your musings lacked the vitriol, the open condescenion of opposing ideas, and the raw contempt for the other side? Then you might be better received and engaged in a more constructive manner.[/quote]


You've got me confused with Blixa.

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 Post subject: Re: Scratchism and The Moral Black Hole of MDB.
PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 9:20 am 
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This is the last post I'll be making on this dogpile thread, or in the Telestial, but I did want to clarify just one more aspect of Scratch's festival of slander regarding my supposedly silver spoon existence.

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For most of my adult life, I did landscape and lawn care work (which I can no longer do for physical reasons), but, regardless of what it was or is, that is my philosophy on the matter, and the way I have always tried to manage my personal financial life, or a reasonable fascimile thereof.


Now, Scratch is a master (as are most ant-Mormon critics) of offense for a word. He "lies in wait to deceive" and hangs on every sentence, every phrase, and every word seeking "whom he may devour."

He made a big deal about this, and no doubt it will now never go away, but when I said "most of my adult life" in relation to landscaping, I meant to say that this is the longest single form of work I engaged in during my adult lifetime. That was landscaping. Perhaps it was a careless phrase, but I also never thought it would be picked up and inflated into a full scale attack on me personally for reasons of pure, hateful spite.

Its also true that I grew up doing that kind of work, and have done if most of my life, even when not in a continual, professional sense. Sorry for not being impeccably precise in every word and citing all my sources. Scratch's "informants" seem to be everywhere, and they even seem to be accomplished mind readers.

Secondly, the pinched nerve in my leg (back? No one was really ever quite sure) never stopped me from working during those years. I did develop a hernia about two years ago (practicing martial arts), and can no longer do landscape work due to this, but this is of very recent origin.

And again, I do not owe Scratch or anyone else here any explanations regarding my past or personal life. Given the kinds of personalities here, I've now realized that,save for a few people (and thanks again to Jason, with whom I do tangle incessantly, in fits and starts, for being honest and civil in responding to and taking at face value and in good faith anything I've said regarding personal issues - including my past struggle with addiction), I never should have been forthcoming about much of my personal history or life at all.

Unlike Scratch, and most of the other hyenas who have piled on a dogpile of defamation and calumny over the last few days, while actually knowing utterly nothing about me at all, save what I've been honest enough to mention here, periodically (and I never needed to mention my alcoholism at all. That was no one's business, but I've always been up front with it because its been a major experiential and formative aspect of my life, and central to what I bring to the discussion of certain issues. I see now that this was a mistake), I actually do have nothing to hide, and I am not an anonymous Internet coward and bomb thrower hiding behind a screen name while stalking and defaming others.

The way that Scratch and Graham were able to twist, warp, and distort various fragments of knowledge about me, combined with wild assumptions and fantasized additions of their own, has been, yet again, another dark and dreary education in the Trailerpark.

Other aspects of the dogpile have all ready been explained, and for any fair minded, intellectually honest interlocutor, settled.

The fact that DCP was the butt of this kind of thing for years on end makes one pause and reflect on the kinds of personalities at the root of this behavior.

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 Post subject: Re: Telestial thread Scratchism and The Moral Black Hole of
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Droopy why didn't you use your priesthood powers to discern a better investment than paintball? Or lay on hands to heal your hernia?

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 Post subject: Re: Telestial thread Scratchism and The Moral Black Hole of
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Sooooo.. Basically, Mr. Droopy used Socialism when it suited him, and now he claims he wouldn't do it again.

Uh huh.

I have a sneaking suspicion there's some irony in here somewhere with him... Much like a Reverend Haggard, his politics are so extreme and his behavior is so outlandish that I'm led to believe he's overcompensating for guilt.

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 Post subject: Re: Scratchism and The Moral Black Hole of MDB.
PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 1:29 pm 
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Now, Scratch is a master (as are most ant-Mormon critics) of offense for a word. He "lies in wait to deceive" and hangs on every sentence, every phrase, and every word seeking "whom he may devour."

He made a big deal about this, and no doubt it will now never go away, but when I said "most of my adult life" in relation to landscaping, I meant to say that this is the longest single form of work I engaged in during my adult lifetime. That was landscaping. Perhaps it was a careless phrase, but I also never thought it would be picked up and inflated into a full scale attack on me personally for reasons of pure, hateful spite.

Its also true that I grew up doing that kind of work, and have done if most of my life, even when not in a continual, professional sense.


Which means, what, exactly? That you periodically mowed lawns? That you only worked during the summer, and the rest of the time you were on the government dole? You also said elsewhere that you walked off the job on multiple occasions, which would mean that you were out of work and presumably collecting unemployment benefits during those periods, too.

And look, Droopy: I don't really care. I'm glad that you were able to subsist in spite of the sporadic nature of your employment. I'm glad you were able to make ends meet, and above all, I'm glad that "Leftist" government programs were there in place to support you during difficult times. For that reason, I find it hard to understand your endless tirades against "Big Government" and "Leftists."

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 Post subject: Re: Scratchism and The Moral Black Hole of MDB.
PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 1:45 pm 
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Which means, what, exactly? That you periodically mowed lawns? That you only worked during the summer, and the rest of the time you were on the government dole? You also said elsewhere that you walked off the job on multiple occasions, which would mean that you were out of work and presumably collecting unemployment benefits during those periods, too.

And look, Droopy: I don't really care. I'm glad that you were able to subsist in spite of the sporadic nature of your employment. I'm glad you were able to make ends meet, and above all, I'm glad that "Leftist" government programs were there in place to support you during difficult times. For that reason, I find it hard to understand your endless tirades against "Big Government" and "Leftists."


It does seem that Droopy tends to bite the hand that feeds him the way he goes on and on about how bad left government is. He seems a tad ungrateful to me. You'd think some humility is in order. But, I'm not going to judge. Only Droopy knows his heart but when he acts the way he does it does allow others to see his heart to some extent. And to that extent, he's not exactly pure like the driven snow. He has had lots of problems in life and still does. He seems to be an angry soul. A bit of bitterness too. He lashes out at Kevin Graham but really should be lashing out at himself. I think he lashes out at Kevin because he's really upset with the confusion within himself. It goes back to beams and motes. (PS, I'm not a Christian or a doctor).

Just saying.

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 Post subject: Re: Telestial thread Scratchism and The Moral Black Hole of
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Droopy why didn't you use your priesthood powers to discern a better investment than paintball? Or lay on hands to heal your hernia?

Oh, Well done.

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 Post subject: Re: Telestial thread Scratchism and The Moral Black Hole of
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If a Republican is homosexual, he quietly leads his life.
If a Democrat is homosexual, he demands legislated respect.

If a Republican is down-and-out, he thinks about how to better his situation.
A Democrat wonders who is going to take care of him.

If a Republican doesn't like a talk show host, he switches channels.
Democrats demand that those they don't like be shut down.

If a Republican is a non-believer, he doesn't go to church.
A Democrat non-believer wants any mention of God and religion silenced.

If a Republican decides he needs health care, he goes about shopping for it,
Or may choose a job that provides it.

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 Post subject: Re: Scratchism and The Moral Black Hole of MDB.
PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 2:22 pm 
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Scratch made up:

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And look, Droopy: I don't really care. I'm glad that you were able to subsist in spite of the sporadic nature of your employment.


I've never said that my employment was "sporadic." Where?

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I'm glad you were able to make ends meet, and above all, I'm glad that "Leftist" government programs were there in place to support you during difficult times.


Mostly, it was my parents and the Church that were there. The welfare episode in my life was one phase, early in my adult life. Where are you getting all the rest of this, Scratch?

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For that reason, I find it hard to understand your endless tirades against "Big Government" and "Leftists."


It would seem that you are simply not intelligent enough to absorb and digest fairly elementary logical and conceptual percepts with enough acuity to engage in a normal discussion at any depth. Either that, or you're engaging in all of this lawyerly sophistry for the sake of personal psychological catharsis.

I do think I know which is the case.

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It does seem that Droopy tends to bite the hand that feeds him the way he goes on and on about how bad left government is.


That's a matter of principle, Paul, something neither you nor Scratch would understand.

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He seems a tad ungrateful to me.


Ungrateful to whom? For what?

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 Post subject: Re: Scratchism and The Moral Black Hole of MDB.
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Scratch, you are a study in the core nature of the "yellow" journalist, walking to and fro on the earth seeking whom he may destroy.

Just look at this:

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Which means, what, exactly? That you periodically mowed lawns?


No, I did it for a number of years continuously, and I did much more than mow lawns. Where are you getting this, Scratch?

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That you only worked during the summer, and the rest of the time you were on the government dole?


Where are you getting this, Scratch? Where on earth are you getting this from?

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You also said elsewhere that you walked off the job on multiple occasions, which would mean that you were out of work and presumably collecting unemployment benefits during those periods, too.


I'm 53 years old, and I have walked off a few jobs. So have a lot of other people. Most people I've known have collected unemployment at some time in their lives. I've collected it on a few occasions myself in the 37 years since I obtained my first job at 16. That's a long time, a long time of which you know nothing and I've mentioned nothing.

And?

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 Post subject: Re: Telestial thread Scratchism and The Moral Black Hole of
PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 2:30 pm 
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If you were on the government dole, and if you repeatedly walked out on multiple jobs, and if you were taking handouts from the Church, and if you were mooching off your parents, and if you were coasting on inheritance funds, and if you were unable to work due to a pinched nerve--then I would say that suggests "sporadic" employment.

In any case, feel free to carry on with your anti-government rants, Droopy. We know where your bread is buttered.

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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 2:33 pm 
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I'm 53 years old, and I have walked off a few jobs. So have a lot of other people. Most people I've known have collected unemployment at some time in their lives. I've collected it on a few occasions myself in the 37 years since I obtained my first job at 16. That's a long time, a long time of which you know nothing and I've mentioned nothing.

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(emphasis added)

Ah, look at this--another piece of the puzzle emerges. Compare with:

Droopy wrote:
The welfare episode in my life was one phase, early in my adult life.


And the sands of your story shift yet again....

Look, Droopy: it's okay if you took gov. benefits and nonetheless hate the government and want to rail on and on about. It's just weird, that's all. Carry on.

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 Post subject: Re: Telestial thread Scratchism and The Moral Black Hole of
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Sooooo.. Basically, Mr. Droopy used Socialism when it suited him, and now he claims he wouldn't do it again.


You can attempt to lie, prevaricate, twist, and crawl on your belly through this, but it will avail you nothing. Not only would I not do it again, I wouldn't have done it then had I been politically and philosophically mature in my thinking and understanding of the the issues involved in the creation, maintenance, effects, and "use' of "socialism."

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 Post subject: Re: Telestial thread Scratchism and The Moral Black Hole of
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Sooooo.. Basically, Mr. Droopy used Socialism when it suited him, and now he claims he wouldn't do it again.


You can attempt to lie, prevaricate, twist, and crawl on your belly through this, but it will avail you nothing. Not only would I not do it again, I wouldn't have done it then had I been politically and philosophically mature in my thinking and understanding of the the issues involved in the creation, maintenance, effects, and "use' of "socialism."


I think you mean that you can now coast along on your inheritance, so it's convenient for you to now crap on ideologies that were once your bread and butter.

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 Post subject: Re: Telestial thread Scratchism and The Moral Black Hole of
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If you were on the government dole, and if you repeatedly walked out on multiple jobs, and if you were taking handouts from the Church, and if you were mooching off your parents, and if you were coasting on inheritance funds, and if you were unable to work due to a pinched nerve--then I would say that suggests "sporadic" employment.


Over 37 years? So, tell me, Scratch, out of those 37 years, how much of that time was spent unemployed compared to employed, as a percentage of the total?'

Ask your informant, you know the person here in this forum who knows so much about me.

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In any case, feel free to carry on with your anti-government rants, Droopy. We know where your bread is buttered.


Your moral and intellectual credibility hit bottom long, long ago. Keep spitting your venom, Scratch, because one day it will splash back into your face - into your eyes - and you will have your reward.

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 Post subject: Re: Telestial thread Scratchism and The Moral Black Hole of
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Droopy,

The person said that you've "never really worked." That's it. I've never asked for clarification beyond that, though perhaps I should. The more you admit, however, the more it seems that his/her comment was basically correct. You keep changing your story, and that's awfully suspish, imvho.

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I'm 53 years old, and I have walked off a few jobs. So have a lot of other people. Most people I've known have collected unemployment at some time in their lives. I've collected it on a few occasions myself in the 37 years since I obtained my first job at 16. That's a long time, a long time of which you know nothing and I've mentioned nothing.

And?
(emphasis added)

Ah, look at this--another piece of the puzzle emerges. Compare with:

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The welfare episode in my life was one phase, early in my adult life.

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And the sands of your story shift yet again....



And...where exactly do you see an inconsistency?

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Look, Droopy: it's okay if you took gov. benefits and nonetheless hate the government and want to rail on and on about. It's just weird, that's all. Carry on.


The fact that after over six years debating and locking horns with me in this forum, you can play let's pretend with my actual political/social philosophy in this way, for no other reason that to carefully crafted false impressions of my beliefs and character (as you've done to others, and especially one particular individual, with obsessive ferocity, over the years) is yet another indication of your utter lack of character and moral integrity, and another good reason to cease discourse with you altogether, as I had heretofore done until very recently.

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I'm not playing "let's pretend," Droopy. All I'm saying here is that a very intriguing picture is beginning to emerge.

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Poor, poor, f*****g Droopy. There is no king's name in Facsimile No. 3!

Poor, poor, f*****g Droopy. Anubis is not a slave!

Bite me, Droopy. f*** off! Go wipe your ass with the pages of the BofA and return and report.

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I think you mean that you can now coast along on your inheritance, so it's convenient for you to now crap on ideologies that were once your bread and butter.


Those ideologies were never my "bread and butter." For one period in my life, the programs of the welfare state that grew out of them supplied me with basic necessities (at the expense both of my self respect and the incentive to seek employment and break out of the cycle of dependency welfare created for me and my first wife), but the ideologies never were. In point of fact, I really didn't have any idea, at that time in my life, what "ideology" was.

I don't call taking care of my near invalid wife, who had just barely survived terminal ovarian cancer, "coasting." Nor do I consider the semesters at university I spent, and the 3.8 grade point average I managed to accumulate, "coasting."

That inheritance came at a very fortuitous time, as I've mentioned time and time again. Was the 6+ year sabbatical away from swinging a weedeater for peanuts nice? Certainly. But short of hiring a home nurse to take care of my wife, which would have financially destroyed us in short order, that money enabled me to do several things at the same time, including be a constant househusband and pursue further education, that I otherwise could not have done.

I'm also completely out of debt. I own my home and my 4.3 acres of wooded land. I own both my cars. I own my Kubota tractor. I have no mortgage. I have no credit card debt. That money (which is now exhausted), went mostly to good use, I can assure you.

I have only one thing to say about you, at this point, Scratch:

RAID!!!!!!

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I'm not playing "let's pretend," Droopy. All I'm saying here is that a very intriguing picture is beginning to emerge.



Yes, but its about your insectoid morality and personal integrity, not about my personal history...of which you know, and have demonstrated you know, nothing (but, then again, how could you?).

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