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 Post subject: Telestial thread Scratchism and The Moral Black Hole of MDB.
PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2012 12:45 am 
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Scratch, amazingly, said the following yesterday:


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Look: I'll level with you, Loran. I was told by someone reliable on here that you've never worked your entire life. Whether this means that you've been suckling at the government teat, or whether you've got some wealthy relative to mooch off of---I don't know. What is quite clear is that your personal background doesn't square very well with your politics, hence why you are so evasive and secretive about all of it.


Now, as lying pustulent sacks of corruption go, Mr. Scratch, whoever he or she actually is, has long had few equals. This however, frosts the cake.

I'd like to know who here, in this forum, made these statements, Scratch. You see, Scratch, I don't know, and have never met or interacted with anyone on this board (save for Will Schryver and Wade Englund, briefly in 2010) and indeed, most of them are utterly anonymous to me, and hence, I am anonymous to them.

Now my little vomitous mass, while I've never been "evasive" or "secretive" about my personal background, save for things that are none of anyone's business, perhaps you'd like to back up your calumny with some facts or evidence. For example, anyone who knows whether or not I've worked, and what I've done, for the entire duration of my life, would certainly know a great deal more about me, such as where I went to Elementary school, Junior High School, and High School. They would know other people I know well, and grew up with. They would know how long I lived in the various states and cities I've resided in. They would know my parents, their names, where my father worked and what he did for a living, who my relatives are and where they live; where I've lived over the last 40 years, what my hobbies and interests were, what kind of martial arts I practiced, and many other core facts.

They would know who I was married to, who I dated, where I lived, and what my family economic circumstances were.

Put up Scratch. Crap or get off the pot. You've never had a particle of intellectual or moral credibility, and now you've either completely lost your mind or you have the character of a trilobite.

I think I know the answer to that one.

Who is it, Scratch? They either know what they're talking about, or they don't. Here's to pot. sit down and push...hard.

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 Post subject: Re: Scratchism and The Moral Black Hole of MDB.
PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2012 12:47 am 
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I had understood, I think from Droopy himself, that he had worked (if I recall rightly) in landscaping before illness (whether of himself or of a family member) prevented him from continuing.

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 Post subject: Re: Scratchism and The Moral Black Hole of MDB.
PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2012 1:02 am 
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I had understood, I think from Droopy himself, that he had worked (if I recall rightly) in landscaping before illness (whether of himself or of a family member) prevented him from continuing.



I've worked almost continuously since I was 16 years old. There have been periods of unemployment, as with many other people, and not of my choosing (except for a few times in my life that I have simply walked out on a few employers because of deep personal conflicts with them). I'm not going to explain my present circumstances again, as it is nobody's business, and as I've already done so at length.

I've never seen a moral and mental madhouse like this forum. Scratch wouldn't dare make these kinds of claims were he not an anonymous Internet weasel throwing rocks from the overpass and then ducking down behind the railing. In fact, even this is not at the level of the kind of thing Danial Peterson and Will have absorbed, but its right at the borderline.

The Pre-Cambrian moral bearings of many of the inhabitants of the Trailerpark is awesome to behold, on some occasions.

What a sick, stomach knotting joke.

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 Post subject: Re: Scratchism and The Moral Black Hole of MDB.
PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2012 1:17 am 
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I made the statements.

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 Post subject: Re: Scratchism and The Moral Black Hole of MDB.
PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2012 1:20 am 
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Scratch wouldn't dare make these kinds of claims were he not an anonymous Internet weasel throwing rocks from the overpass and then ducking down behind the railing.


Of course it's not a mixed metaphor! Weasels throw rocks at things all the time!

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In fact, even this is not at the level of the kind of thing


....of the sort of the type of the genre of the category.....

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The Pre-Cambrian moral bearings of many of the inhabitants of the Trailerpark is awesome to behold, on some occasions.


Fortunately, we know from modern revelation that the Pre-Cambrian period never happened, as it would entail death before the Fall.

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What a sick, stomach knotting joke.


Perhaps we should discuss the parameters of nausea qua nausea.

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 Post subject: Re: Scratchism and The Moral Black Hole of MDB.
PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2012 1:23 am 
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Come on, Scratch. Come clean. Who here on this obscure anti-Mormon message board, that didn't even come online until 2006, knows all about what I've done for the last 53 years?

And while you're at it, describe each of your advanced degrees, and where you obtained them, because I have a reliable source that tells me you're full of the same stuff I have to periodically shovel out of my back yard about that as well.

I'm beginning to wonder if people like you and Kevin Graham cast a reflection in a mirror. The level of moral and psychological degradation here is really beginning to be cause for serious concern.

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 Post subject: Re: Scratchism and The Moral Black Hole of MDB.
PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2012 1:25 am 
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Spurven Ten Sing wrote:
I made the statements.


Uh huh...

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 Post subject: Re: Scratchism and The Moral Black Hole of MDB.
PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2012 1:26 am 
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Droopy wrote:
this obscure anti-Mormon message board


....on which Droopy has posted nearly 5,600 times. (EDIT: and he posted 3,679 times as Coggins7.)

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The level of moral and psychological degradation here is really beginning to be cause for serious concern.


But at least we know that psychology is not a science, so we need not concern ourselves with psychological degradation.

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 Post subject: Re: Scratchism and The Moral Black Hole of MDB.
PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2012 1:32 am 
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Great day for a beer. Droopy.....? Oh, that's right.....sorry. You can't handle it.

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 Post subject: Re: Scratchism and The Moral Black Hole of MDB.
PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2012 1:37 am 
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Great day for a beer. Droopy.....? Oh, that's right.....sorry. You can't handle it.




Its an even better day to brush your teeth with an arc welder. Let me know how it turns out.

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 Post subject: Re: Scratchism and The Moral Black Hole of MDB.
PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2012 1:51 am 
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Droopy wrote:
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Great day for a beer. Droopy.....? Oh, that's right.....sorry. You can't handle it.




Its an even better day to brush your teeth with an arc welder. Let me know how it turns out.

But damn this Carlsberg is good. It's good to be a man!

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 Post subject: Re: Scratchism and The Moral Black Hole of MDB.
PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2012 2:20 am 
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Droopy, aren't they making a clever point though or maybe I'm just being naïve and as usual mentioning the obvious.

You are quite happy to condemn the likes of John Dehlin as a wolf in sheeps clothing, an apostate, bitter and cunning with all that that would entail as regards his eternal salvation, yet you don't like it when some of that venom, much less inflamatory and condemning of your eternal soul, is pointed back at you.

I'm not saying they are right to do it. Just that there seems to be some disconnect there with how you label others? Maybe I'm wrong.

I chuckle at the names that some of these guys give themselves. They are, or so it seems to me, playing into that mindset of good and evil. Kishkumen as Snape, Dr Scratch (another word for the devil if I remember rightly), Darth (vader), the evil dark lord, and so it goes on.

In truth, what they are, or again so it seems to me, are intelligent academics who see injustice, lack of honour, and dishonesty in the church, in the system, in the the way that fellow academics are treated and want to call the 'church' out on it.

I think they play a useful part in the continuing story of mormonism.

I think that their voices are needed.

I think that they are as committed to truth and honesty as you seem to be.

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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2012 3:46 am 
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Oh my. Is Mr. Droopy affording himself of the niceties of Socialism, yet railing against the very thing that sustains him? Do publicly educated weasels who vomit while inducing stomach knots cast stones from overpasses 5,600 times understand the implications of arc welding their teeth? I think not!

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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2012 5:44 am 
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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2012 6:10 am 
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You're sagging to a new low.....

again


Yep, he's getting close to fuming nasty words. Lots of potty talk out of his mouth the past couple of days! The troll is getting lots to eat here on the MDB and he's starting to get a little drunk with hate and anger.

Dr. Scratch will enter the kingdom of heaven before Droopy. Dr. Scratch is a better man than Droopy.

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 Post subject: Re: Scratchism and The Moral Black Hole of MDB.
PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2012 11:41 am 
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I have simply walked out on a few employers because of deep personal conflicts with them


Shocking. Who'd a thunk it?

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 Post subject: Re: Scratchism and The Moral Black Hole of MDB.
PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2012 12:18 pm 
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You are quite happy to condemn the likes of John Dehlin as a wolf in sheeps clothing, an apostate, bitter and cunning with all that that would entail as regards his eternal salvation, yet you don't like it when some of that venom, much less inflamatory and condemning of your eternal soul, is pointed back at you.


This is utterly irrelevant to the personal lying defamation of both Scratch and Graham yesterday, on things of which they have utterly no knowledge whatsoever. Scratch's claims are so over the top, and so obviously fabricated, that it beggars imagination to understand what he's thinking in making such claims.

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I'm not saying they are right to do it. Just that there seems to be some disconnect there with how you label others? Maybe I'm wrong.


Yes, you are, because my considered opinion of John Dehlin as in apostasy and as a classic scriptural "wolf in sheep's clothing" is based upon that which he actually says and argues about the Church and its teaching. What Scratch and Graham have said about me is utterly without foundation and was intended a pure character assassination, not honest opinion or analysis. Vast difference. Scratch and Graham have no more idea regarding my life, my work history, or the nature and conditions of my economic and personal life than an amoeba knows when Christmas is coming.

What you're not focusing on, Mary, which concerns me, is the fact that, regarding Scratch' claims in particular, nobody in this forum knows a thing about me, my life, my past, my work, my challenges in life, whether I never worked one day in my life or whether I worked in a coal mine for the last 30 years, save perhaps two people who I've briefly met in person, and who are on friendly terms with me). No one.

Anything anyone here knows about me is that which I have told them, and is, as it could only be, fragmentary and without a great deal of continuity. No one here knows anything in any detail about where, at what, and how much I've worked throughout my life. No one here knows anything about the few years I had my inheritance, how much it was, how it affected our lives, and to what use it was put. No one here knows anything about my economic life before, or sense. Nothing.

Do not defend these people, Mary. Do not associate with them, and do not white wash their conduct.

Scratch and Graham are both bald, uncompromising liars and well poisoners, they know they are, and they know that because they are utterly incapable of defeating me or any other apologist in the marketplace of ideas, they had better burn down the marketplace and turn it into a kangaroo court.

This kind of behavior against defenders of the Church has a long, long history, going all the way back to Philastus Hurlbut and other early apostates who left the church or were excommunicated and then turned on it like ravening shrews. Its a pattern - indeed, a perennial pattern - that still persists so long as there is apostasy and a gospel of Jesus Christ to apostatize from (note, I am not placing John Dehlin anywhere near Scratch, Graham, or the others here who are piling on).

Its an indication of the very mindless hatred, bigotry, and ferocious self justification that Graham says does not drive him and other apostates. They lie to themselves, they lie to others, and they lie in public about other people (just ask Gee, Rhodes, Peterson, Schryver, Englund etc.).

My opinions about Dehlin, and people like Brooks, are intellectually based and grounded in a comparison and contrast between what the church teaches and what they teach. This defamation of me is purely psychological and emotional in nature, and was intended to destroy for the purpose of emotional catharsis. Scratch and Graham have a long and sordid history of this kind of behavior, and I'm not by any means the first to have been at the bottom of Scratch's tabloid calumnies and the burning cross of the Kevin Klux Klan.

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I chuckle at the names that some of these guys give themselves. They are, or so it seems to me, playing into that mindset of good and evil. Kishkumen as Snape, Dr Scratch (another word for the devil if I remember rightly), Darth (vader), the evil dark lord, and so it goes on.


Yes, its interesting you noticed this. A great deal of darkness, nihilism, and antinomian alter ego creation.

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In truth, what they are, or again so it seems to me, are intelligent academics who see injustice, lack of honor, and dishonesty in the church, in the system, in the the way that fellow academics are treated and want to call the 'church' out on it.


Scratch is not an academic, nor is Graham. Its very difficult even to label these people "intellectuals" except in the sense that they move within the world of the written word and of ideas.

In any case, I see no injustice, lack of honor, or dishonesty in the church whatsoever, and I think those who are looking for it are, in point of fact, projecting onto the church their own internal psychological conflicts and contradictions.

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I think that they are as committed to truth and honesty as you seem to be.


We are as different as molten lava is from arctic ice. No two sets of personalities could be father apart. The differences are polar.

But this is, after all, exactly what the gospel predicts and anticipates to be conditions in the Last Days among the world's peoples.

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 Post subject: Re: Scratchism and The Moral Black Hole of MDB.
PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2012 12:22 pm 
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I think we're heading for another one of Droopy's many "I'm leaving the forum forever!" posts.

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 Post subject: Re: Scratchism and The Moral Black Hole of MDB.
PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2012 12:47 pm 
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You are quite happy to condemn the likes of John Dehlin as a wolf in sheeps clothing, an apostate, bitter and cunning with all that that would entail as regards his eternal salvation, yet you don't like it when some of that venom, much less inflamatory and condemning of your eternal soul, is pointed back at you.


This is utterly irrelevant to the personal lying defamation of both Scratch and Graham yesterday, on things of which they have utterly no knowledge whatsoever. Scratch's claims are so over the top, and so obviously fabricated, that it beggars imagination to understand what he's thinking in making such claims.

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I'm not saying they are right to do it. Just that there seems to be some disconnect there with how you label others? Maybe I'm wrong.


Yes, you are, because my considered opinion of John Dehlin as in apostasy and as a classic scriptural "wolf in sheep's clothing" is based upon that which he actually says and argues about the Church and its teaching. What Scratch and Graham have said about me is utterly without foundation and was intended a pure character assassination, not honest opinion or analysis. Vast difference. Scratch and Graham have no more idea regarding my life, my work history, or the nature and conditions of my economic and personal life than an amoeba knows when Christmas is coming.

Its an indication of the very mindless hatred, bigotry, and ferocious self justification that Graham says does not drive him and other apostates. They lie to themselves, they lie to others, and they lie in public about other people.

My opinions about Dehlin, and people like Brooks, are intellectually based and grounde in a comparison and contrast between what the church teaches and what they teach. This defamation of me is purely psychological and emotional in nature, and was intended to destroy for the purpose of emotional catharsis. Scratch and Graham have a long and sordid history of this kind of behavior, and I'm not by any means the first to have been at the bottom of Scratch's tabloid calumnies and the burning cross of the Kevin Klux Klan.

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I chuckle at the names that some of these guys give themselves. They are, or so it seems to me, playing into that mindset of good and evil. Kishkumen as Snape, Dr Scratch (another word for the devil if I remember rightly), Darth (vader), the evil dark lord, and so it goes on.


Yes, its interesting you noticed this. A great deal of darkness, nihilism, and antinomian alter ego creation.

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In truth, what they are, or again so it seems to me, are intelligent academics who see injustice, lack of honor, and dishonesty in the church, in the system, in the the way that fellow academics are treated and want to call the 'church' out on it.


Scratch is not an academic, nor is Graham. Its very difficult even to label these people "intellectuals" except in the sense that they move within the world of the written word and of ideas.

In any case, I see no injustice, lack of honor, or dishonesty in the church whatsoever, and I think those who are looking for it are, in point of fact, projecting onto the church their own internal psychological conflicts and contradictions.

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I think that they are as committed to truth and honesty as you seem to be.


We are as different as molten lava is from arctic ice. No two sets of personalities could be father apart. The differences are polar.

But this is, after all, exactly what the gospel predicts and anticipates to be conditions in the Last Days among the world's peoples.


Thanks for responding Droopy.

Do you really feel this? I mean, do you really see those who have been unable to reconcile the truth claims of the church with the historical record in such black and white terms? Yes, I know that there is bias, and that history is only ever one person's perspective of what went on in the past. But even given that, there is enough evidence to give room to doubt, and to give a justifiable reason to lose belief and testimony in the church as it currently stands?

Am reading John Lee's account of his life at the moment. As a missionary he seems to work by debate, one of those debates being with Campbellite leaders. They are arguing that Joseph was a money digger and he discounts their belief with utter contempt. As far as he was concerned, Joseph was never involved in such activities. I've never seen such a glowing portrayal of Joseph Smith as Lee gives. Rigdon certainly didn't command that same respect with the membership.

Yet we now know that Joseph was involved in Money Digging and was tried as a con-man as I understand it and found guilty. I'm not saying this is a problem for me. I find it quite fascinating and my problems with Joseph lay elsewhere. Yet Lee condemns them for their lies, even though we now know that at least on that information they were correct and he was wrong. Will they be condemned? Surely not?

I can understand Daniel Peterson's approach to Joseph which was that, as I understand it, when you look at the 'bigger' picture. Something was going on. God can use the most unlikely of folks. I get that now. More than I did 20 years ago. I can even accept that genuinely, that at some level God was working with Joseph Smith.

But I guess what I am saying is that when you look at the bigger picture, there are also reasons to genuinely and sincerely disbelieve in the truth claims of the church as they currently stand.

I find myself in that category, and hope that that sincere belief will not land me in a mindless hell of damnation and torment in the afterlife. We can all only do our best to sift the evidence and come to our own conclusions with authenticity and sincerity. Surely to do anything else would be to live a lie to ourselves.

I'm hoping that if there is a God and if he/she/it is a good God, they will understand that and judge accordingly....??

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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2012 1:11 pm 
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Someone found Droopy's hot button.

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You keep changing your story, Droopy. First you said that you hadn't worked in years because of "injury." Then you said that, for most of your life, you'd mowed lawns for a living. Next you said that you didn't have to work--that you were "financially independent" because of an inheritance, which you subsequently pissed away on an ill-advised "paintballing" venture. After this, you claimed that you've been employed pretty much your whole life, except for multiple instances where you apparently go canned for disrespecting your employers (or being a pain in the neck, or deserting your duties, or whatever else).

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