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 Post subject: Re: Packer renounces Jesus' parenthood...
PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 1:40 am 
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That's a complicated question with a long answer. I tried to answer that already on LDS Freedom Forum. You can check it out there if you like.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:56 am 
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Children are meant to have two parents — a father and a mother, Packer said during the opening session of the The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints’ 182nd Annual General Conference. "No other pattern or process can replace this one''.(SLTrib)


But hang on...

Jesus was conceived by Mary and God (not Mary's husband).


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That's still a Father and a Mother, AND he was raised by a Father and a Mother, thus you are wrong as usual.


I think you will find that's a Father and a Daughter and that he was raised by a Mother and a Stepfather.

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Adam was conceived 'from the dust of the earth' (No, known parents)


Actually, his BODY was made from the Dust. His spirit was made by heavenly parents.

So his body didn't have parents - thanks for confirming my OP.

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Eve was conceived...well...who knows how...(No, known parents)


Again matter, but through the rib, again still with Heavenly Parents.

:lol: You do not even know what is taught in Institute!

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All of which makes Boyd's statement a little bit...well...Biblically wrong.


Nope.... All it makes is you bearing false witness again.

Except you have failed to show that.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 4:21 am 
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Adam and Eve, like everyone else had parents. Brigham Young taught that Heavenly Father took one of His wives into the garden, and that they partook of the fruit until their bodies were charged with it, and so, consequently, they were made from the materials (or dust) of the earth! Read people!


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 4:24 am 
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gdemetz wrote:
they partook of the fruit until their bodies were charged with it, and so, consequently, they were made from the materials (or dust) of the earth! Read people!


What does this mean?

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 4:33 am 
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It means that two exalted beings ate food so they could produce a physical body instead of a spirit body.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 4:34 am 
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gdemetz wrote:
It means that two exalted beings ate food so they could produce a physical body instead of a spirit body.


Did they do so through sexual intercourse?

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 4:41 am 
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Yea! That's how all kids are born.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 4:44 am 
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gdemetz wrote:
Yea! That's how all kids are born.


Okay, so God had actual sexual intercourse with one of his wives who subsequently gave birth to Adam and then Eve. Got it...oh wait...that would make Adam and Eve brother and sister...

So you also believe God had sexual intercourse with Mary (not one of his wives) to produce Jesus despite the fact the she already had a living husband?

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 4:47 am 
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Yes, but she was not married to Joseph, but she was engaged.


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gdemetz wrote:
Yes, but she was not married to Joseph, but she was engaged.



Doesn't that make it adultery or fornication?

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 4:56 am 
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You can ask God that when you see Him!


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 5:02 am 
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gdemetz wrote:
You can ask God that when you see Him!


Can't I just pray to him and speed up the process?

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 8:54 pm 
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That's a very good idea! I hope that you will do that with real intent!


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 2:15 am 
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gdemetz wrote:
That's a very good idea! I hope that you will do that with real intent!


As you know, I spent a significant period of time doing just exactly that.
When God replied She told me the Mormon Church was bogus.

As the Holy Spirit confirmed to me what God said, you must believe me right?

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 11:57 pm 
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No.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 12:35 am 
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gdemetz wrote:
No.


So...the Holy Spirit is only the Holy Spirit when it confirms what you believe? Sounds kind of biased in a confirmational type way...

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 8:06 pm 
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Why should I believe the testimony of one when millions have had a testimony of just the opposite?


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gdemetz wrote:
That's a very good idea! I hope that you will do that with real intent!

The disclaimer, if you don't get the right answer, then you didn't pray with real intent.
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Why should I believe the testimony of one when millions have had a testimony of just the opposite?

A good question to ask Muslims.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 10:23 pm 
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 11:25 pm 
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gdemetz wrote:
Why should I believe the testimony of one when millions have had a testimony of just the opposite?


<0.2% of the World's living population believe (or at some point in their life, believed) that Mormonism is true. Even if only 10% of the World's living population has been exposed to Mormonism, it is clear you believe a minority of witnesses - of course you do so because it fits what you want to believe.

It's funny how the Holy Ghost is only the Holy Ghost when you choose it to be.
It's also funny how individuals testimonies and statements are only to be thought credible when they match what you choose to believe.

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