Patriarchal gripe wrote:
New poster here, so please be kind.
By veil, I mean the Veil supposedly placed over our soul's "memory" that prevents us from remembering the pre-existence. I have always thought that the veil of forgetfulness was necessary for agency to have it's full effect. This ensures we have the perfect set of conditions to be tested and gain Deity training experiences necessary for exaltation here during this brief sliver of eternity. We see this in Technicolor during the temple endowment movie when Michael, having forgotten all, becomes Adam our first father.
My my wife pointed out that we had agency in the pre-existence, and were able to choose sides even before our lives here, and that agency seems to be necessary after death if those in spirit prison are to freely choose and accept their proxy temple work. Since agency seems to be present throughout eternity, and a large part of the host of heaven were able to choose wrongly even in God's presence, why do we even need a veil of forgetfulness to start this life with? It seems like it is just a convenient way to start a story, sort of like Harry Potter having his memory blasted by Voldemort's wand when he was a toddler, or the flashy thingy in Men In Black.
Is there any doctrinal statements that square the veil with agency? Am I just thinking in circles here?
[Moved to Telestial due to temple content - EA]
In mortality we must learn capacities and skills, not merely gather information. The veil is a necessary part of that process...for us. As you read the article, pay special attention to the importance of submission and commitment and how this dovetails with responsibility.
From:http://lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnex ... &hideNav=1
This article seems to brush the edges of making some doctrinal statements.
The section called, The Skeptic’s Fallacy, is worth mulling over a bit.