Darth J wrote:
Alter Idem wrote:
Stem has been on this board
for a while and he was over at MADB as well. I never
perceived him as a troll
. However, this board brings
out the worst in people, partly because they
tend to lower themselves
to the level of discourse around them. And it can
bring out a very ugly side of some that is not
seen in other places--Papa is a good
example of someone who had a meltdown on this board, which was totally
out of character.
I have an idea, Alter Idem. In 50,000 words or less, explain precisely why stemelbow gets treated with utter contempt on this board, while believing Mormons like consiglieri, mercyngrace, Don Bradley, George Miller, and David Bokovy (when he drops by) generally get treated with respect, even by people who disagree with their beliefs (I'm excluding allegedly believing Mormons like bcspace and Droopy, who do treat the aforementioned with utter contempt).
The answer to that question is obvious. You just provided it in what you did to my post above.
If an LDS poster questions or disagrees or upsets the status quo on this board, they will be treated with ridicule and contempt. As long as they do not engage in serious discussion, question the luminaries on the board or too strongly 'defend' the LDS faith, they are accepted and even treated well. But, if they become an irritant, they will be followed around; pestered, prodded, goaded and attacked at times by certain posters here, until they leave.
Also, regarding "level of discourse," take your best guess at how many people have lost faith in the LDS Church because of MADB/MD&D, versus how many people have lost faith in the Church because of this board. Just a ballpark estimate.
Okay, this is off-topic, and I'm not sure why you are asking me, but I'll try to answer.
First, if people believe they 'lose their faith' because of their associations or information they received on a message board, that's not entirely true. They don't live on the board--they have a real life with real associations and experiences. It's clear to me that there is more involved. However, I do believe that message boards can influence a person in the process of leaving or entering the faith.
This is my experience and it's been a while, because I don't post regularly here or at MADB anymore. When I was at MADB, many times, I would see new 'LDS' posters, who, if they were doubting or had questions about their faith, would often be treated suspiciously, labeled 'trolls', dismissed and usually ended up getting banned.
By that time, they'd already found this board and had settled in and so they would usually continue their exit out of the church here--you can't disagree that's the desire of many on this board--to bring 'souls' away from the LDS faith. Many have said that the MADB board helped 'push' them out of the church. I don't doubt it, though I would question just how much they were integrated into the church when they were at MADB; they probably didn't need much prodding.
I have warned some to leave the MADB board and I have not encouraged my friends or acquaintances to post there. I also do not encourage anyone to post here--and I've suggested to some that they leave, such as Stem.
You don't know me Darth; while I have a strong testimony of the gospel of Jesus Christ, I don't have one of the MADB board. Once I'd spent some time there and saw the problems, I couldn't ignore them. But this board is worse when it comes to personal attacks, profanity and vulgarity--as well as the general tone of resentment, hatred and ridicule of LDS individuals and the LDS church in general. So, my answer is that while the MADB board caused damage to some, MD finished them off. I don't have any data to give a ball park number or even an estimate.