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 Post subject: Re: The Top 5 Issues Facing Black Americans
PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2016 3:02 pm 
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Well, me personally I'm not a fascist, so I don't almost ever report anyone, but I have on rare occasion, but then nothing occurs of course, like people misrepresented me in their signatures, etc. I've reported it twice, yet Shades did nothing, even though it's directly against the rules to misrepresent people in sig's.

I also don't care if IHQ or anyone else posts "news" etc., such isn't actually against the rules.
Yet, in Shades mind and others here, my doing it in any CLOSE of a way IS against the rules in some magical way.

I'm looking for a proper listing of the rules, and simple fairness.

I posted this thread in the Paradise forum, and it clearly doesn't break any rules of the forum, yet apparently "Shades" arbitrary rules he put it here.
There's still a thread he never posted at all, which also didn't break the rules, might be more here soon since I've posted a couple today.

I'm fine with rules..... people just need to know what they are.
As it is currently, it seem's the "rules" are he doesn't like me, so anything I say that he doesn't like, he doesn't allow it posted or it's put in this section.
And it's clear that he posted this thread in this section entirley because it's a "conservative" posting, not that I actually broke any rule by the post.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2016 3:14 pm 
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I thought of something else I wanted to derail say.

There has been more than one poster puzzled by my coming into the threads post-ruling and asking questions about it. Someone said I was just being contrarian and someone else mentioned something about rescuing you. Neither of those are the case.

I want you, at least, to be clear about why I do this, because I'm not simply out to stir the pot like some seem to think I am. It is because I'm someone who comes back to review what has taken place (self reflection it's called in my field of work and study, and we also do it when we work in teams) and when I do, my questions are always:

1. Did we do this right?
2. Could it be better?
3. Did we miss anything?

In my mind, the process isn't finished until you've taken it for a spin and followed up on it.

And also, because in terms of board rulings, at some point they can be applied to any of us should the need arise. This is how the board rules came to be. They are the product of lengthy discussion, revisions and updates. Hell, there is one revision that covers the circumstances of my own banning.

Secondly, and I'm saying this in front of everyone and their dog, and directly to you, there IS no rescuing you. I was part of the group discussion that led to your current limitations. I said exactly what I thought about what I saw taking place, what I thought would be good solutions, and I don't care if you or anyone else liked what I said. I don't look over my shoulder and censor what I say because it might be unpopular or in disagreement with others. (Ask any of my employers!) Prior to that, and when it seemed like everywhere I looked in OT all I saw were attacks, I saw a chance to draw the line because I had a thread of my own to do it with, so I brought it to Shades and he approved and facilitated the split of my thread.

If I posted on these boards to win a popularity contest with my opinions, I've totally sucked at it for 18 years!

And that's pretty much it in a nutshell, faqs.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2016 3:16 pm 
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The problem is, is that the post directly states WHO wrote it, AND I linked where it came from.

Thus, the accusation by Shades that I "didn't properly attribute" is called lying, not to mention the serious THREAT toward me not to do it again, that simply because I didn't do it in the way he somehow wants, that means I somehow wasn't within the rules.

Further, my "fascism" statement comes from his moving my threads to this forum when I didn't actually break any actual rules in the thread.
If he's moving me because he doesn't like conservative views, then he needs to simply state it, it needs to be in the rules.

More so, "I have a Question" has been for YEARS doing what I do and worse by posting LDS News in the other forum section, and rarely saying hardly anything, while I often say a LOT, yet he's not some evil sinner rule breaker, but he's an anti-mormon and a liberal, so it's all good he does what I do, but not good when I do it.


Give me one example of me not properly attributing.
(You won't, because you can't)

I don't break board or forum rules. So yep, I'm all good.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2016 4:59 pm 
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I have a question wrote:
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The problem is, is that the post directly states WHO wrote it, AND I linked where it came from.

Thus, the accusation by Shades that I "didn't properly attribute" is called lying, not to mention the serious THREAT toward me not to do it again, that simply because I didn't do it in the way he somehow wants, that means I somehow wasn't within the rules.

Further, my "fascism" statement comes from his moving my threads to this forum when I didn't actually break any actual rules in the thread.
If he's moving me because he doesn't like conservative views, then he needs to simply state it, it needs to be in the rules.

More so, "I have a Question" has been for YEARS doing what I do and worse by posting LDS News in the other forum section, and rarely saying hardly anything, while I often say a LOT, yet he's not some evil sinner rule breaker, but he's an anti-mormon and a liberal, so it's all good he does what I do, but not good when I do it.


Give me one example of me not properly attributing.
(You won't, because you can't)

I don't break board or forum rules. So yep, I'm all good.


Please stop misrepresenting people..... I never once said you did that.
The discussion was about people who "spam" the board with "News" topics etc. of interest.
You've been doing it for years, and don't usually say much, and if you do it's not much.
Me, I've been doing it the past 2 years or so, and I often say a lot, or a fair amount, though not always and every day.

Anyway, the liberals on this board would "complain" about me so-called "spaming" the board, creating threads, doing basically no more than you do, yet nobody's complained about your spamming and saying little to nothing with the LDS topics/links you post every day, and often several times a day.

Yet me, according to the unequal application of imaginary rules that don't exist, "I" must be sensored according to Shades and other liberals on the forum.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2016 5:09 pm 
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So Jersey....

As you can see, there are some new threads in this forum today by me.
As you can also see, nothing in those threads are against the rules, yet Shades (or whomever) has posted them to the Spirit Prison section, clearly entirely because they don't like "criticism" of something they believe in or agree with or whatever.

The sensorship that is occuring to me now, is no different than if when anti-mormons on this forum are critical of Mormonism or Mormons, then that somehow is a "non-Terrestrial" forum posting.

What is being done to me now, since I'm fully following the new rules of the new "Paradise" forum when I create new threads now, would be like if I was a moderator on this forum, and anything "negative" by an anti-mormon said of Mormonism or Mormons, then I would throw it into Telestial or Outer Darkness.

So, can you see there is a double standard being applied to me?
Negative general things are being allowed to be said of Mormons and Mormonism in the Terrestrial forum, but a conservative can't say anything generally negative of Liberals and Liberalism.

There is no rule against "general" negative statements against "subjects" and groups.
Again, if there was, then most anti-mormon posts would be against the rules.
So, a different rule, a non-existant one by the way is being applied to me. That's not right.
Like I said, look at those 3 new posts today.... not a one breaks the forum Paradise's rules, yet they are being treated as such, as if they deserve to go to Prison.

Again, if Shades doesn't want criticism of Liberalism and liberals in a general sense, just like anti-mormons are critical of Mormons and Mormonism, then he needs to make it an actual rule. Because that is ALL my posting is now. I'm not breaking the actual rules of this forum.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2016 7:45 pm 
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I have a question wrote:
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The problem is, is that the post directly states WHO wrote it, AND I linked where it came from.

Thus, the accusation by Shades that I "didn't properly attribute" is called lying, not to mention the serious THREAT toward me not to do it again, that simply because I didn't do it in the way he somehow wants, that means I somehow wasn't within the rules.

Further, my "fascism" statement comes from his moving my threads to this forum when I didn't actually break any actual rules in the thread.
If he's moving me because he doesn't like conservative views, then he needs to simply state it, it needs to be in the rules.

More so, "I have a Question" has been for YEARS doing what I do and worse by posting LDS News in the other forum section, and rarely saying hardly anything, while I often say a LOT, yet he's not some evil sinner rule breaker, but he's an anti-mormon and a liberal, so it's all good he does what I do, but not good when I do it.


Give me one example of me not properly attributing.
(You won't, because you can't)

I don't break board or forum rules. So yep, I'm all good.


Hello, referee on duty.

You read him wrong, I HAQ.

I'll bold what you missed.

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More so, "I have a Question" has been for YEARS doing what I do and worse by posting LDS News in the other forum section, and rarely saying hardly anything, while I often say a LOT, yet he's not some evil sinner rule breaker, but he's an anti-mormon and a liberal, so it's all good he does what I do, but not good when I do it.


Posting a link and hardly commenting on it in the OP or intro-ing it, was one of the criticisms leveled at faqs. That's what he's talking about. He's saying that you do the same thing and you do.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2016 7:51 pm 
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So Jersey....

As you can see, there are some new threads in this forum today by me.
As you can also see, nothing in those threads are against the rules, yet Shades (or whomever) has posted them to the Spirit Prison section, clearly entirely because they don't like "criticism" of something they believe in or agree with or whatever.


I think I see some of the threads you're talking about that would be considered "Paradise legal", but while I am sometimes part of the jury around here, I'm by no means the judge.

This is what I suggested previously:

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I think you need to find examples of what you believe are similar infractions and bring them directly to Shades either via PM's or by creating a separate thread here in Prison for the express purpose of hashing it out.


I would do the very same thing regarding Paradise legal threads.

I coined a new phrase. Please praise me vigorously.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2016 7:54 pm 
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Here's basically what he is saying to do with the OP.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faolY5_hnIc

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What are the five biggest issues facing blacks in America? Here’s my list.

Problem #5. The Victim Mentality

Nothing holds someone back more than seeing himself as a victim. Why? Because a victim is not responsible for his situation. Everything is someone else’s fault. And the victim sees little chance of improving his life. How can he get ahead if someone is holding him back? All this makes the victim unhappy, frustrated and angry.

This is how too many blacks see themselves – as victims. So much so that their victim status becomes their primary identity and their ruling ideology. I call it victimology. Unfortunately, many black churches preach this “victimology,” many black parents pass it on to their children, inner-city schools teach it to their students and the black media reinforce it. Meanwhile, the NAACP and other black grievance groups fundraise on it.

Problem #4. Lack of Diversity

Blacks repeatedly demand an “honest dialogue or debate about race.” But how can there ever be an honest dialogue about race between blacks and whites when there is virtually no honest dialogue between blacks and blacks? It’s hypocritical. And if a black doesn’t think, “whites are ultimately responsible for black people’s problems,” they’re labeled a “sell-out,” ”Uncle Tom,” or “race-traitor.”

As long as this type of groupthink exists, race-reverends of the Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson type will continue to be celebrated while independent black thinkers such as Professors Thomas Sowell and Walter Williams will be shunned.

The honest race dialogue and debate -- that first has to happen -- is not between blacks and whites but between blacks and blacks. We demand diversity from others, but need to practice it ourselves where it really matters -- in thought, opinion, and even political affiliation.

Problem #3. Urban Terrorism

As just about everyone knows, but too few talk about publicly, in majority black cities, violent black on black crime is rampant. A Department of Justice study from 1980-2008 revealed that blacks accounted for almost half of the nation’s homicide victims (47.4%) and more than half of the offenders (52.4%) all while only being 13% of America’s population.

The Tuskegee Institute conducted a study of all known lynchings of blacks that occurred between 1882-1968. During this 86-year span, which is essentially the post-Civil War era up to the Civil Rights era, 3,446 Blacks where reportedly lynched. Presently, black-on-black murder eclipses the number of blacks lynched over the course of 80 years roughly every six months.

Unbelievably, the culpability for this disproportionate amount of mayhem actually lies with a menacing 2-3% minority within the black populace. I call them urban terrorists. And since they’re literally spawned from problem #2, the black community protects them.

Problem #2. Proliferation of Baby Mamas

The disintegration of the nuclear family has led to an astronomical increase of single-mother households. According to the Moynihan Report, in 1965, nearly 25 percent of black children were born to unwed mothers. The report’s author Daniel Patrick Moynihan said this was a disaster in the making. He was, of course, vilified by so-called black leaders and their progressive allies. But he was right. Today the out of wedlock birth rate is nearly 75 percent. and even higher in some urban areas.

To be clear, Baby Daddies share this responsibility with Baby Mamas. Yet, while Baby Daddies are blamed and rarely shown compassion, Baby Mamas are rarely blamed and receive both compassion and support. This lopsided dynamic and the previously listed pathologies stem directly from the number one problem facing the black community...

Problem #1. Unquestioning Allegiance to so-called Progressive Policies

Unwavering loyalty to progressive, liberal policies is the primary reason these dire conditions persist. It both makes them possible and perpetuates them. It’s no coincidence that progressivism is the common thread that binds predominantly black cities where single-parent homes, failing schools, rampant poverty and crime predominant.

Look at cities like Detroit, Philadelphia and Baltimore. They’ve been run by progressive Democrats for decades. If their liberal policies were at all effective, these cities should have become models of economic growth and prosperity. Instead, they’re models of dysfunction. By fostering and exploiting the victim mentality, discouraging self-examination, subsidizing baby-mamas, and making excuses for black thugs, so-called progressive policies don’t alleviate the problems that afflict the black community, they aggravate those problems.

You may have noticed that racism did not make the list. Why not? It’s simple: There will be no solution to the problems afflicting black America until more blacks recognize that the issues plaguing our community are ultimately self-inflicted.

Does racism exist? Sure. But there are other problems far more serious. And waiting until there are no more racists will mean waiting, and making excuses, forever.

I’m Taleeb Starkes for Prager University.
https://www.prageru.com/courses/race-re ... -americans


Because it does look like you linked and then commented yourself. We don't know someone else authored the comments until we get to the bottom of the OP. It takes 2 seconds to wrap quotes around your finished product. Just do it.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2016 7:56 pm 
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Oh and by the way, did you notice in the discussion thread just prior to the current rulings where it was mentioned that I should moderate you?

I moderated Pahoran into a cold sweat on another board. Count yourself lucky, buddy!
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2016 8:29 pm 
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Ya, I get his "interest" in wanting that, but "styling" is an entirely different thing to not following the rules and being chastized for it, and telling me I HAVE to do it this way "or else".

People on this forum do this all the time, simply post text from whatever article/etc. and then link it, and they do it both at first and after, and nobody complains about it.
Further, I did in fact put the link first, the problem was the video didn't include the "full text" in their description, so I had to link the website also which had the full text.

This particular statement of Shades is simply him wanting to nitpick, treating me by different standards than anyone else.
It's not right....

by the way, have you noticed that every single one of my created threads or posts in the other forum have been entirely within the rules?
Of course, Shades/whomever have moved many of my threads over to Prison, even though they don't break the rules (after his major moving, so the entirely clean/paradise legal (TM Jersey Girl lol) posts since have been just automatically put into prison, even though I posted them in Paradise. I think what only one new thread made it into paradise, and it's no more "negative" than any of the others.

But again, am I not allowed to be negative about certain subjects, but liberals can about Mormonism and conservatism, or police, or whatever?
Is he trying to ONLY force me to post in Prison, because I can't really properly participate in Paradise due to not being able to edit and my posts showing up a million years later, thus out of place with the conversation?

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Ya, I get his "interest" in wanting that, but "styling" is an entirely different thing to not following the rules and being chastized for it, and telling me I HAVE to do it this way "or else".

People on this forum do this all the time, simply post text from whatever article/etc. and then link it, and they do it both at first and after, and nobody complains about it.
Further, I did in fact put the link first, the problem was the video didn't include the "full text" in their description, so I had to link the website also which had the full text.

This particular statement of Shades is simply him wanting to nitpick, treating me by different standards than anyone else.
It's not right....

by the way, have you noticed that every single one of my created threads or posts in the other forum have been entirely within the rules?
Of course, Shades/whomever have moved many of my threads over to Prison, even though they don't break the rules (after his major moving, so the entirely clean/paradise legal (TM Jersey Girl lol) posts since have been just automatically put into prison, even though I posted them in Paradise. I think what only one new thread made it into paradise, and it's no more "negative" than any of the others.

But again, am I not allowed to be negative about certain subjects, but liberals can about Mormonism and conservatism, or police, or whatever?
Is he trying to ONLY force me to post in Prison, because I can't really properly participate in Paradise due to not being able to edit and my posts showing up a million years later, thus out of place with the conversation?


Okay, Jersey Girl straight talk.

You can ____ about it forever but if you'd stop spending your time bitching and spend it doing what the ____ I told you to do, you might have more success in being heard and some of your threads moved to Paradise.

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Posting a link and hardly commenting on it in the OP or intro-ing it, was one of the criticisms leveled at faqs. That's what he's talking about. He's saying that you do the same thing and you do.

Are you serious? IN NO WAY do ihaq's posts EVER resemble ldsfaqs' posts. You're encouraging ldsfaqs with crap like this. And not in a good way.

Personally I hope Dr. Shades never rescinds this new policy.


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Posting a link and hardly commenting on it in the OP or intro-ing it, was one of the criticisms leveled at faqs. That's what he's talking about. He's saying that you do the same thing and you do.

Are you serious? IN NO WAY do ihaq's posts EVER resemble ldsfaqs' posts. You're encouraging ldsfaqs with crap like this. And not in a good way.

Personally I hope Dr. Shades never rescinds this new policy.


He's talking about similarities in the way he formats his posts and the way IHAQ formats his posts. I agree that there are similarities. Here's a comparison of what he's talking about.

ldsfaqs wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiuWKiq2d8o

Here we have example after example of how liberals call everything and everyone "white supremisist".
Thus bearing false witness of others as always.



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Roma 6th Ward discontinued.

http://www.ldschurchtemples.com/statistics/units/

Perhaps people got fed up of waiting for the temple and went inactive.
Or perhaps a load of ex-pats were repatriated.


Those are undeniably similar. As I said, his chief complaint had to do with this:

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Posting a link and hardly commenting on it in the OP or intro-ing it


The only thing I'm encouraging him to do is to take his issues and evidence of said issues directly to Shades. I would encourage anyone to do so, and have encouraged others to do so since this board went online.

His bitching about it in the threads or people bitching about him in the threads as they were prior to the current ruling, isn't at all productive. If someone has a complaint or an issue on this board, they need to take it to Shades. Shades is the administrator on this board and he is the only person in a position to hear any of us out and make a determination.

If that's crap, Lemmie, I stand by it.

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Personally I hope Dr. Shades never rescinds this new policy.


Shades isn't going to rescind the new policy. I don't see where faqs is asking him to. Do you?

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Posting a link and hardly commenting on it in the OP or intro-ing it, was one of the criticisms leveled at faqs. That's what he's talking about. He's saying that you do the same thing and you do.

Are you serious? IN NO WAY do ihaq's posts EVER resemble ldsfaqs' posts. You're encouraging ldsfaqs with crap like this. And not in a good way.

Personally I hope Dr. Shades never rescinds this new policy.


I think Jersey Girl's attempt to draw a parallel between my posts and ldsfaqs is staggeringly laughable on its face to anyone who has ever read both. It's as laughable as ldsfaqs attempt to do so in the first place.

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I have a question wrote:

I think Jersey Girl's attempt to draw a parallel between my posts and ldsfaqs is staggeringly laughable on its face to anyone who has ever read both. It's as laughable as ldsfaqs attempt to do so in the first place.


He's talking about the way you sometimes format your posts, IHAQ. I put two of them up for comparison in a post just above.

Do you see what he's talking about?

Do you understand that he's not talking about content, he's talking about form?

In any case, it doesn't matter if any of us are willing or unwilling to hear him out. He needs to take whatever issues he has up with Shades.

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Here's my last comment for the evening.

What I know about Shades is that he's willing to hear any of us out. I've known that since this board was created. Recently, he was willing to hear me out when I wanted to discuss what I believed was a derail on one of my own threads. That's how it goes around here and how it's always gone around here. We might not like the determination that we get in response, but I know good and well that Shades will hear us out.

I have to wonder how many folks here actually followed the dialogue on the discussion thread that resulted in the new rulings. Because here is an example of Shades willingness to hear out one of his posters.

And it's faqs himself.

ldsfaqs wrote:
A better solution is to simply apply the Terrestrial Rules to the OT Forum, since they haven't been.


ldsfaqs wrote:
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Will you be able to refrain from calling people "anti-Mormon liars," "scumbags," "liberal liars," and "you people," even if you think they attacked first?


1. Are you really saying that saying "anti-mormon liar" is a Rule breaking offense??? I can get that for Celestial, but Terrestrial???

2. Yes, I can stop calling people scumbags, it is after all a banned word in Terrestrial, so I wouldn't use it in OT.

3. See #1???

4. "You people"? Seriously.... when I'm describing a group ideology you're saying "you people" is a "bad word"? Seriously?

5. Yes, I can refrain from saying anything bad if attacked.....

If these are the rules, then I WILL comply.....
But I need clarification on 1, 3, & 4..... Makes no sense at all. For Celestial yes, but if you have those as rules for Terrestrial, you will ban just about everyone.

Let me know..... whatever you want, I will do.


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For some reason, those exchanges were never completed. I don't know if they might have continued via PM's or were simply never completed.

If Shades is willing to hear out one of the posters in this community and shouldn't we be likewise willing? I know that I am. I don't care who it is who wants to be heard and as sure as I'm sitting here typing this, I can tell you that Shades doesn't care who it is either. He'll still hear what we have to say.

That's how he runs this board and I agree with it.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2016 4:48 am 
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Lemmie wrote:
Personally I hope Dr. Shades never rescinds this new policy.


Shades isn't going to rescind the new policy. I don't see where faqs is asking him to. Do you?


yes, I do! why else is he complaining so unreasonably, describing his behavior so unrealistically? he hasn't changed, and you're encouraging him to continue.
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I do believe they are justified for the time being, but I also hope that Shades will lift them at some point and give you another go at it, because I think with this new structure, you could do A-Okay with it.

he will not change and we would be right back to the same mess if he got 'another go at it.' that's what I meant by not encouraging him.

And no, ldsfaqs does not understand any such nicety as the difference between form and content. You put up a post by ihaq and a post by him and said they were the same thing, only afterward describing them as differing in form. They differed immensely in content, and the massive discussion leading to the change in rules was primarily about content! Another example of how I think you are encouraging him to think his behavior is okay. But, have at it. This is the place for him to continue, and for history to repeat as he responds to you apparently encouraging him to continue, and thankfully, all done in an isolated forum he's limited to.

:lol: You keep mentioning the derailment you had split off from an earlier thread. Are you talking about the thread where you then got on and derailed your own split off derailment? :cool: Just kidding, Jersey Girl. You can derail my derailments by expressing a different opinion than me anytime you want! :lol:


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Just because you're a liberal and don't like the "content" doesn't mean I'm breaking the rules and haven't changed my "form" according to the new rules.

Cluelessness.....

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Lemmie wrote:

And no, ldsfaqs does not understand any such nicety as the difference between form and content. You put up a post by ihaq and a post by him and said they were the same thing, only afterward describing them as differing in form.


Lemmie,

Are you not reading the thread? Yes, faqs does understand the difference between form and content. He identified the issue in one of his posts. Yes, I did identify the issue that faqs raised directly to IHAQ before posting the two examples. Here it is:

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Hello, referee on duty.

You read him wrong, I HAQ.

I'll bold what you missed.

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More so, "I have a Question" has been for YEARS doing what I do and worse by posting LDS News in the other forum section, and rarely saying hardly anything, while I often say a LOT, yet he's not some evil sinner rule breaker, but he's an anti-mormon and a liberal, so it's all good he does what I do, but not good when I do it.


Posting a link and hardly commenting on it in the OP or intro-ing it, was one of the criticisms leveled at faqs. That's what he's talking about. He's saying that you do the same thing and you do.



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They differed immensely in content, and the massive discussion leading to the change in rules was primarily about content! Another example of how I think you are encouraging him to think his behavior is okay. But, have at it. This is the place for him to continue, and for history to repeat as he responds to you apparently encouraging him to continue, and thankfully, all done in an isolated forum he's limited to.



What are you missing here? Yes, of course they differ in content. I've suggested nothing to the contrary.

One of Shades issues with faqs posts has been the way in which he set them up by posting a link with maybe a line or two of content. He commented so right in faqs previous threads. Shades has been monitoring the posters, at least in OT, for that very same thing for months now. And, just as he commented in faqs threads, he's doing it in the threads of others.

How could you miss that?

Wait, this is Prison, I can swear. (Freedom!)

Once more, the only ____ thing I'm encouraging faqs to do is to take his issues directly to Shades. You are making far more out of this than it is. Read my words for exactly what they say, Lemmie.

When a poster on this board wishes to be heard about an administrative issue, they have a right to be heard. It's been that way since the board went online. Shades himself, as demonstrated by the exchanges I posted last night, was himself willing to hear what faqs had to say.

Why wouldn't I offer an ear to that just like Shades does?

I've been part of this board since the first version went online. This is the way this board conducts business. Ultimately, the issues need to be brought directly to Shades. Shades is willing to hear any of us out.

Is there something wrong about that in your mind? If so, tell me what it is and we can talk about it.

I was permanently banned from this board for 3 years. Shades lifted the ban. Will he lift any of the restrictions on faqs? I have no idea. No one knows the mind of Shades, but I can see right in front of me on the screen the portion of that discussion thread prior to the new rulings where Shades himself was hashing something out with faqs in full public view

Didn't you see that? You can see it in the posts that I copied here.

This is how Shades functions. This is how I function. There's nothing in my posts to indicate otherwise. Would those exchanges he was having with faqs resulted in some easing of the restrictions? I have no idea, they didn't finish them so far as I can see. Shades was in the process of placing conditions on faqs. That's what I know.

He was in the process of placing conditions on faqs, in the same way he placed conditions before ludwigm to lift his restrictions and in the same way he placed conditions on lifting my permanent ban here.

As I stated previously in some form, if I were posting my opinions on these boards to win a popularity contest, I've totally sucked at it for 18 years ongoing. I say what I think about any given issue and I understand that this might be confusing for folks to understand, but those who know me know that's what I do.

Shades has run this board just as I said he has since the first version went online, Lemmie. He is willing to dialogue with any of us without prejudice. So am I. Holy ____, I've known him for I can't even remember how long now, and when he interacts with me, he does so wearing two different hats depending on the situation. One hat is the long time acquaintance, and the other hat is the board administrator. When he functions in an administrative role, he is all business.

What is going on with faqs issues here is all business and nothing but business. But he does need to take it to Shades. What I think about the content that faqs posts here, has nothing to do with it. I get the feeling that you think I "switched sides". I'm not on any side, Lemmie.

I am my own side.

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