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 Post subject: Man stops carjacking: Guess who’s getting charged?
PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2016 6:18 pm 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8_O0BVTtk0

Liberal ideology at it again. The criminalizing of non-criminal behaviors, the stopping of criminals and making a citizen's arrest.
I've mentioned before the same sort of event's occurring in the UK.

What you see here are the "fruits" of liberalism. The more liberal a country becomes, the more fascist it becomes against it's own citizens.
The country making them out to the be criminals. Whether it be gun owners, people who tell jokes (aka speech), religions who simply preach Biblical doctrine, or people who simply stop a crime.

Liberals criminalize EVERYTHING..... becoming no different than North Korea.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2016 8:56 pm 
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I would make sure you get the accurate information of what happened. One thing to remember is that self defense does not give one the right to do what ever they like.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2016 9:11 pm 
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Yes, but it was a simple case.

Elderly woman was being assaulted/carjacked, her son and whomever came out and assaulted the individuals to stop them and then to restrain the individuals for the police, making a citizen's arrest. Citizens have the right to use force no differently than the police when stopping a crime and apprehending the perpetrator.

This is not the first instance of such abuses.
I've given the example in the UK of an individual who chose to keep his firearm for home defense, rather than following the UK's illegal laws against gun ownership. Robbers came to his home, had robbed many times before other homes, I think I remember even had killed or violently assaulted individuals in the home, they attempted to do the same to this home owner, but instead he shot them in self-defense.

Well, he instead ended up being the one in jail instead of the bad guys, all because he owned a gun and used it.
There are all kinds of these abuses.

Nobody's saying you have the right to assault someone when stopping a crime and the start "torturing" them or something.
But some amount of violence is perfectly understandable when stopping bad guys. Yet liberals criminalize it.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2016 9:25 pm 
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Yes, but it was a simple case.

Elderly woman was being assaulted/carjacked, her son and whomever came out and assaulted the individuals to stop them and then to restrain the individuals for the police, making a citizen's arrest. Citizens have the right to use force no differently than the police when stopping a crime and apprehending the perpetrator.



If police don't have the right to use excessive force then it shouldn't be a surprise that citizens don't either. I would have to look at what he did in apprehending the two. Keep in mind his father also helped in apprehending the two but was not charged.

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Themis wrote:
I would make sure you get the accurate information of what happened. One thing to remember is that self defense does not give one the right to do what ever they like.

Actually I'm able to kill someone, "if i like", in self defense under various circumstances - ergo having the right.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2016 9:26 pm 
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subgenius wrote:
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I would make sure you get the accurate information of what happened. One thing to remember is that self defense does not give one the right to do what ever they like.

Actually I'm able to kill someone, "if i like", in self defense under various circumstances - ergo having the right.


Yes under certain circumstances, just as police do.

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Themis wrote:
Yes under certain circumstances, just as police do.

Police are "under" far different circumstances and thus I don't agree with the generalizing simile....apples and oranges.

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Yes under certain circumstances, just as police do.

Police are "under" far different circumstances and thus I don't agree with the generalizing simile....apples and oranges.


The reality is you don't have the right to do whatever you like when apprehending someone. A police officer has to justify ever action they take in apprehending someone so don't think everyone else is excused.

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Themis wrote:

The reality is you don't have the right to do whatever you like when apprehending someone. A police officer has to justify ever action they take in apprehending someone so don't think everyone else is excused.

Reasonable force isn't measured the same way for a citizen as it is for a police officer. ..ergo the "reasonable" qualifier.

This notion of "whatever you like" is an absurdity that can't be used to dismiss the point of the OP. The measure should be if it was reasonable. As you admit, circumstances may well make the same action reasonable while other circumstances make it unreasonable. ...all the while being an action that could easily have been spawned from "whatever you like".

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2016 10:09 pm 
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subgenius wrote:
Themis wrote:

The reality is you don't have the right to do whatever you like when apprehending someone. A police officer has to justify ever action they take in apprehending someone so don't think everyone else is excused.

Reasonable force isn't measured the same way for a citizen as it is for a police officer. ..ergo the "reasonable" qualifier.

This notion of "whatever you like" is an absurdity that can't be used to dismiss the point of the OP. The measure should be if it was reasonable. As you admit, circumstances may well make the same action reasonable while other circumstances make it unreasonable. ...all the while being an action that could easily have been spawned from "whatever you like".


Police can usually get away with more. The point is that someone who is apprehending someone for a crime is not allowed to beat the ____ out of them unless it can be shown they need to for self defense purposes. Two people were involved in apprehending these two suspects and only one was charged. The question you should be asking is why.

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subgenius wrote:
Actually I'm able to kill someone, "if i like", in self defense under various circumstances - ergo having the right.


We all have the right to kill in self defense. But it can not be "if I like". Justifiable homicide has to be under conditions of severe stress equal to justified fear of threat to life.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2016 11:48 am 
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Confront someone who is casually walking away, giving them a verbal command to stop. They then stop, and turn around, at which point you leave to go retrieve a baseball bat from your house. The person who had previously stopped, understandably runs away from the now bat-wielding individual. They are then chased for three blocks, and then beaten with the bat.

In Faq's mind, this equates to a simple citizen's arrest.

Canada gets a bum rap for being polite.

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Themis wrote:

Police can usually get away with more. The point is that someone who is apprehending someone for a crime is not allowed to beat the **** out of them unless it can be shown they need to for self defense purposes. Two people were involved in apprehending these two suspects and only one was charged. The question you should be asking is why.

Why? That seems to be a rather nonsensical approach to the situation because it has very little, if any, meaning to my life. ..or yours. It's only a mildly interesting event and our thoughts and actions are of absolutely no consequence.

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The entire argument in this thread is based off of "zero facts".

To the liberal, it "just must be" that the citizen must have used excessive force, did some great evil, that requires them to be arrested for the police to have arrested them.

Liberals really don't at all know what is going on in the world.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2016 2:33 pm 
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ldsfaqs wrote:
The entire argument in this thread is based off of "zero facts".

To the liberal, it "just must be" that the citizen must have used excessive force, did some great evil, that requires them to be arrested for the police to have arrested them.

Liberals really don't at all know what is going on in the world.


If we have zero facts then why say he was unjustly charged? Others like myself only suggested he may have used excessive force.

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ldsfaqs wrote:
The entire argument in this thread is based off of "zero facts".

To the liberal, it "just must be" that the citizen must have used excessive force, did some great evil, that requires them to be arrested for the police to have arrested them.

Liberals really don't at all know what is going on in the world.


Silly faqs -- the rule that "it 'just must be' that the citizen must have used excessive force, did some great evil..." only applies to black men SHOT by the police.

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