Truth be told, I don’t believe you represent a danger to the Church. You're not sufficiently persuasive or charismatic to pose any great danger, except perhaps to your children and other family members.
Thanks Will. There is no doubt that I lack persuasiveness and charisma.
Well, if i don't present a danger to the Church, I certainly represent a danger to my ward, don't you think? Shouldn't you alert my Bishop?
Also, would you like to speak with my family members and see how my evangelism has impacted them? I'd be happy to provide contact information as I am sure they would absolutely love to speak with you.
Oh, to be sure, you do
evangelize your particular brand of unfaith. That goes without saying. Your posting record both here and elsewhere, as I have observed it, speaks eloquently to the fact that you do not have a testimony of the divinity of the restored gospel of Jesus Christ as embodied in the Church of Jesus Christ. You couch your disbelief in rather ambiguous terminology, much like your hero John Dehlin, but it’s nonetheless very transparent to all but the most obtuse observer. Indeed, in your most recent blog post
(the one where you make particular mention of me) you make your stance on these issues perfectly clear.
John Dehlin is a good man and I admire his Christ-like charity. I don't think its any mystery that my faith in God is different from many Church members but I do have faith in God and do my best to emulate Jesus of Nazareth. As a Pragmatist I care little for metaphysics but I recognize the power and strength of religious experience.
You are pretty much stating the obvious here.
Simply put, your peculiar way of evangelizing your brand of unfaith is readily apparent in the things you have written over the years.
Again, stating the obvious.
I’m sure it also comes out in your daily conversations with people. It can’t help but come out.
Yes, you are quite right. My faith does come out in daily conversation. Love God and emulate the live and love of Jesus.
Pretty damaging stuff, to be sure.
You see, Seth, everyone is an evangelist for what they believe. Everyone. You’re no exception to this hard and fast rule.
Again, you are quite right. I evangelize the love of God and the love of Jesus. Nothing more, nothing less.
Your methods vary from those employed by others, and may consist of little more than the example of unfaith you set for your family and friends.
So when I share my belief in God with my family and friends and when I read with them from the Gospels or the Book of Mormon I am perpetuating "unfaith." Got it.
But evangelize you do, and to the extent your defense of your unfaith is persuasive, then you most certainly do constitute a “fifth-columnist” element within the church.
So anyone who has doubts about the Church's metaphysical claims is part of a fifth-columnist element? And it is worse if I they actually voice and discuss those doubts. I'm with you.
Were I your bishop, I strongly suspect you would say similar things about me as you say about your current bishop.
I very much doubt this. In fact, I not only doubt it, I find the very suggestion absurd.
When I read your posts it is like a candle is being blown out in a dark room. I feel dark and empty. When I see my Bishop I feel the Christ-like love he has for me. Also, my Bishop tends not to employ words such as circle-jerk or refer to struggling or former members as whores etc... He also avoids the use of racial slurs.
You might find that shocking for me to say. But I’m sure it’s true.
It is shocking and it is also patently false.
Because I know precisely how I would approach someone like you. I would welcome you. I would attempt to encourage you to do things that might put you in a position to be moved by the spirit of faithfulness. I would express unfeigned love towards you. But I would not fool myself into believing that you were anything other than the “apostate” you are.
So you are a man of duplicity. Here you have reservations about being insulting, offensive, sexually crude, and essentially being the antithesis of Christian charity. I don't believe for one moment that you simply flip a switch and "express unfeigned love towards [me]." You have stated here that your online persona is exactly the same as your offline persona. Again, I pray for your Stake and Ward members if the methods you employ to welcome them to the fold even remotely resemble the methods you employ here.
You see, when I use the word “apostate” as a descriptor for the kind of man who “walketh in his own way, and after the image of his own god, whose image is in the likeness of the world, and whose substance is that of an idol,” I do so absent any sense of a nefarious connotation. I use it to mean nothing more than precisely what it does mean: one who, by choice, stands apart from the believers in the restored gospel.
How, exactly, do I "stand apart?" I attend services with my brothers and sisters. I pray with them. I home teach them. I am home taught by them. I share my belief in the love of God and in the power of the Church to help those who suffer.
That, my would-be brother, is what you do.
Will, I am not your "would-be" brother. I am
your brother in Christ.
Even when you congregate with them, you stand apart from them. That is your choice. It is the path you have chosen, and you walk it “in your own way, and after the image of your own god,” which, of course, is no god at all, but merely a variation on a very, very old theme. Its substance is that of an idol, and it is part of the world which will ultimately be destroyed.
How is the view from that Rameumpton?
Again, I'm not sure how you can possibly argue that I stand apart from my fellow Mormons. I support them in their faith and they support me in mine.
Now, as to whether or not I am “a small, paranoid little man,” I can only say that you are entitled to your opinion. I doubt that anyone who knows me would find any resemblance between me and the characterization you employ, but no matter.
Ah, but it does matter.
Again, I very much down that William Schryver has an on/off switch. You can't come online and call people whores and then attend Church and be vessel of Christ-like charity.
You’re upset that I have spoken “hard things” to you. I can understand that. Your reaction is therefore to be expected, for, as it is written: “…the guilty taketh the truth to be hard, for it cutteth them to the very center.”
I'm not upset so much as I am saddened by the very poor representative of the LDS Church you are. How many people have come here as lurkers or doubters only to see a true believer behave in such an offensive and un-Christian way?
You could learn a thing or two from my saint of a mother