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 Post subject: Re: Courtney Simpson: Mormon Porn Star.
PostPosted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 11:46 pm 
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And I object to how the Church dug into Michael Quinn's private life.


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And I object to how the Church dug into Michael Quinn's private life.


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You have some reading to catch up on. And don't "CFR" me with that Maddite crap. Do your own research, and learn. The links to that have already been posted here. They intimidated Quinn.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 12:16 am 
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If she is publicly identified as a Mormon practicing porn, that's pretty damning.


She wasn't just practicing. She was doing it professionally.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 12:17 am 
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Strange how people refer to the church as if salt lake is interested in Mormon pornstars. Most of this would be handled by the stake president and not involve salt lake city. If the stake president would bring proceding against a pornstar then a court hearing may occur. I don't think that salt lake involves itself in this kind of thing.

Now if these pornstars would begin to advertize their church status and business, then I think the situation would change. Also, if it is a stake thing, most people in the stake would not know that someone is a pornstar, especially if that person moves to LA from salt lake and does not contact the ward. Plus, no pornstar uses their real name to my knowledge.

The LDS church is not one big conspiracy. However, if one begins to commits apostacy by criticizing the LDS church vocally and its doctrine, well...that would be a different matter.

Now Annette haven is interesting. I remember her from the 1970's. She was the most popular porn star during that time and made the business successful because she was beautiful and classy. But all this was before the slime that came from the VHS and the DVD. Back then, porn movies had some style, as did the actresses. Now....fugetaboutit.

But no, acting in a pornmovie is not an excommunicable offense if the person has not been to the temple or had important callings in the LDS church. Case in point is the missionary calender...by a return missionary. Too high a priesthood and experience not to be excommunicated.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 12:27 am 
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You have some reading to catch up on. And don't "CFR" me with that Maddite crap. Do your own research, and learn. The links to that have already been posted here. They intimidated Quinn.


You sure it wasn't Quinn broadcasting his own homosexuality instead? That's the impression I get. But you can do the research on that yourself then.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 12:30 am 
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But no, acting in a pornmovie is not an excommunicable offense if the person has not been to the temple or had important callings in the LDS church.


Why me, you get stranger, and stranger. Acting in a porn movie is not an excommunicable offense?

I'm breathless.

Sister: Bishop, I confess I starred in a porn movie. Where do I stand?

Bishop: Have you been to the temple?

Sister: No, bishop.

Bishop: Sister, bless you. We need more Mormon porn stars! But after you go to the temple, this is a no-no.

Sister: Okay. I won't go to the temple.

Bishop: Great! I look forward to seeing you in Laurel Does Hardy.


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I think they are doing away with excommunication - they don't know the damage they do in the short and long run of a persons life.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 12:34 am 
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whyme wrote:

"Now Annette haven is interesting. I remember her from the 1970's. She was the most popular porn star during that time and made the business successful because she was beautiful and classy."

she could have been a real good Eve in the temple movie.

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I think they are doing away with excommunication - they don't know the damage they do in the short and long run of a persons life.


Tell that to Michael Quinn, or David Wright.


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I mean in the last few years.

and who is David Wright?

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Decided to do a little research into male Mormon porn stars, didn't find any in the 30 seconds that I looked, . . .

You didn't look hard enough.

Back in 1997, A missionary serving in the Los Angeles, California mission was recruited into the porn business and made a few films.

An independent documentary was made about the case; you can view the trailer here.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 12:41 am 
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I think they are doing away with excommunication - they don't know the damage they do in the short and long run of a persons life.


Now back in the 1970's the LDS church was more likely to excommunicate but it woud depend a great deal on the knowledge that the offender had. I also think that the stake president or the bishop went easier on women than men in general, especially when it came to premarital sex.

Now the LDS church is less likely to excommunicate because the level moral problems have increased and it is more understanding of such imperfections.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 12:42 am 
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I mean in the last few years.


That makes no difference. Chad Hardy was excommunicated just for a calendar. And that wasn't in "the last few years". It was last year. Yet Why me would have us believe that acting in a porn movie is a-okay, "as long as they haven't been to the temple".

I think why me is confusing Mormonism with Catholicism.


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I think they are doing away with excommunication - they don't know the damage they do in the short and long run of a persons life.

This is true but I am not sure about the damage thing. When a person sins they more or less know what that sin can lead to. But I think that there is more understanding these days about sexual sins because of the current state of the world in this regard. The lack of a moral code that one finds in the media and on the internet, not to mention in the world has brought the temptation to commit a sexual sin to the forefront of people's lives.

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I mean in the last few years.


That makes no difference. Chad Hardy was excommunicated just for a calendar. And that wasn't in "the last few years". It was last year. Yet Why me would have us believe that acting in a porn movie is a-okay, "as long as they haven't been to the temple".

I think why me is confusing Mormonism with Catholicism.

I think that if this calender is the calender that I am thinking of, he was excommunicated for being a return missionary who used his experience to make a guy calender with a RM twist. Plus, who knows what he was saying in public before his excommunication. He did not promote his priesthood in a positive way. Like I said, it all depends on one status in the church when one commits such an act.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 12:51 am 
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Now back in the 1970's the LDS church was more likely to excommunicate but it woud depend a great deal on the knowledge that the offender had. I also think that the stake president or the bishop went easier on women than men in general, especially when it came to premarital sex.


Not this former bishop.

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Now the LDS church is less likely to excommunicate because the level moral problems have increased and it is more understanding of such imperfections.


I see. So if morality can change according to the whims of "the times", which might, theoretically, see King David exonerated from his adultery with Bathsheeba (hope for David!), then, presumably, those who write "alternative history" will no longer be subjected to Church courts? They will all be invited back?


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I think they are doing away with excommunication - they don't know the damage they do in the short and long run of a persons life.


Now back in the 1970's the LDS church was more likely to excommunicate but it woud depend a great deal on the knowledge that the offender had. I also think that the stake president or the bishop went easier on women than men in general, especially when it came to premarital sex.

Now the LDS church is less likely to excommunicate because the level moral problems have increased and it is more understanding of such imperfections.


Eh - no comment

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too funny:

http://voice-of-deseret.blogspot.com/20 ... dy-to.html

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But no, acting in a pornmovie is not an excommunicable offense if the person has not been to the temple or had important callings in the LDS church.


Why me, you get stranger, and stranger. Acting in a porn movie is not an excommunicable offense?

I'm breathless.

Sister: Bishop, I confess I starred in a porn movie. Where do I stand?

Bishop: Have you been to the temple?

Sister: No, bishop.

Bishop: Sister, bless you. We need more Mormon porn stars! But after you go to the temple, this is a no-no.

Sister: Okay. I won't go to the temple.

Bishop: Great! I look forward to seeing you in Laurel Does Hardy.


The local church can treat women differently because they don't have the priesthood. And like I said, it would depend on the knowledge of the offender. If the local church does not take any action, no action will be taken. Now if she begins to promote her Mormon identity as a pornstar, out she will go.

I think that the local LDS church is more lenient wih women because they understand the pressure single women are under when it comes to sex---being constantly hit upon by horny guys from outside the LDS church.

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"I think that the local LDS church is more lenient wih women because they understand the pressure single women are under when it comes to sex---being constantly hit upon by horny guys from outside the LDS church."

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Ray A wrote:
why me wrote:
Now back in the 1970's the LDS church was more likely to excommunicate but it woud depend a great deal on the knowledge that the offender had. I also think that the stake president or the bishop went easier on women than men in general, especially when it came to premarital sex.


Not this former bishop.

Like I said it would depend on the local church. I think Ray you would have some understanding by taking into account the influences that have caused the young woman to enter such a business. Now there can be disfollowshipment or probation. But excommunication would be the last resort.

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