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Since when do Mormons believe that religious belief determines one's credibility? Sounds like bigotry to me.


But very many anti-Mormons, both from the Left and the conservative Right, certainly do believe that just being a faithful, believing Mormon impugns one's credibility be definition.


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Since when do Mormons believe that religious belief determines one's credibility? Sounds like bigotry to me.


But very many anti-Mormons, both from the Left and the conservative Right, certainly do believe that just being a faithful, believing Mormon impugns one's credibility be definition.


I'm not one of them. So, if you're upset that they believe this about you, why is it OK to believe the same about someone else? Pot, meet kettle. You two will get along fine. ;)

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I'm not one of them. So, if you're upset that they believe this about you, why is it OK to believe the same about someone else? Pot, meet kettle. You two will get along fine. ;)


You apparantly just don't get that the entire post I made was facetious. No, I don't take sono hito's religion seriously, just as I don't take Wicca seriously, or most New Age ideas, or Urantia, of channeling dolphins etc., but my intention was not to trash it overtly so much as to point out that for someone who claims to believe in and worship Odin and Thor to be criticising a truly philosophically and theologically deep religious system like Mormonism, Judaism, or other of the great religions, is a little bit much.


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funny how you refer to it as a neo-pagan religion when it pre-dates christianity itself. Ill agree that wicca is neo-pagan. and many others. But i would say that Asatru is beyond christianity. Its mandates on sociaty are ethicaly based, rather than moraly based. Leaving a much larger breathing room for honest worshipers of other religions. (notice i said honest, i don't view Mormonism as honest) Tell me which is better, to follow a religion that tells you to be co-dependant on your god, or one that tells you to become strong in your own right and to then ask only for guidance with said strength.

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I'm less concerned about people believing in Mormonism than I am about people being so incredibly closed-minded as to not even want to discuss the evidence.


My question would be, what is the above evidence of?

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oh yeah, i also forgot to add. I quoted the miracle of forgiveness on rape, and an apostle on taking responsibility for your part in abuse. Pissed her off to no end. She would not accept that people would say that, and that people have been asked after a rape if they accepted it on any level. She didn't believe me that my reading of it meant that you would better die than be raped. And if you have survived it, then you accepted it on some level. (she had claimed she was raped after saying this)

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I'm less concerned about people believing in Mormonism than I am about people being so incredibly closed-minded as to not even want to discuss the evidence.


My question would be, what is the above evidence of?


Glad to see you back. I'm not sure what you mean, as different people view evidence as meaning a lot of different things. My concern was the attitude that there is no evidence except that which validates one's point of view. It's always healthy to understand that our point of view may not be right.

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funny how you refer to it as a neo-pagan religion when it pre-dates christianity itself. Ill agree that wicca is neo-pagan. and many others. But i would say that Asatru is beyond christianity. Its mandates on sociaty are ethicaly based, rather than moraly based. Leaving a much larger breathing room for honest worshipers of other religions. (notice i said honest, i don't view Mormonism as honest) Tell me which is better, to follow a religion that tells you to be co-dependant on your god, or one that tells you to become strong in your own right and to then ask only for guidance with said strength.


I would call it neo-Pagan for the simple reason that its been dead for many centuries and has only been ressurrected in the late 20th century by the Baby Boom generation (in Iceland, in this case) at the same time Neo-Paganism and the New Age movemnet was on the rise in North America, especially in northern California. Your religion that you say is "beyond Christianity" is an artifact of the late sixties and early seventies.

I do realize that the originators of Norse Neo-Paganism have apparanty done a great deal of study of what we have of ancient Nordic religious texts (which, beginning with the Edda (not the Elder, which does not exist), are not that old, in an attempt to accuately revive the original cults. The fact of the matter remains, however, that the various cultic forms of worship known to the ancient Norse are long dead and the texts we have of their myths, stories, and cosmogeny are not such that the forms of worship-the cultus-can be restored in any but (like Wicca) a very eclectic way.

As to your claim that such religion is older than Christianity, if by that you mean historic sectarian Christianity, you are probably correct. If you are making this claim with regard to the LDS church, you are gravely mistaken. The gospel of Jesus Christ has been on the earth since Adam and through a number of dispensation down to the present. In this sense, there is no older religion than "Christianity" if by that you mean the pure gospel as taught in in place or time of the world's history.

Indeed, ancient Norse mythology contains a number of motifs and symbols that, along with virtually every other ancient religoin of any substance, connects it clearly to a very ancient original religion from which virtually all the great religious systems, including ancient Norse religion, owe their existence. That original primal religion, I would argue, was the gospel as first given to Adam and handed down through Noah.

Its interesting that both Masonry and Wicca make the same claim about being "the original" religion of earths's people. From a LDS standpoint, the "Christian Era" is a misguided concept. Christianity did not begin with Jesus (as Paul clearly points out in his own writings).


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