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Jersey Girl wrote:This exact thing (and I mean exact) was discussed here previously. Check it out.

viewtopic.php?p=1191971#p1191971

From that link:
I have a question wrote:This is most curious.

While listening to the multi-person presentation introducing ScripturePlus, I received an important anonymous communication from an avid reader of Dr. Shades’s Peterson Obsession Board:
disgusting dishonest creepy waddlin simp nigglin. betcha little granddaughter gonna be proud a her fatula
Plainly, the deliberations at the Obsession Board often inspire him to share his deepest thoughts with me. This was his twelfth note to me over the past ten days. Admittedly, not all of them have been so articulate or so family-friendly — though one of Monday’s communications came pretty close:

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpeters ... rence.html

So, instead of paying attention to the presentation he's attending, he's checking (constantly?) his phone/tablet/laptop for e mails. He's had 12 such offensive e mails in 10 days, but hasn't blocked the sender or simply deleted the e mails without reading them.

I conclude that Peterson is happy to receive such e mails, and wants to continue receiving them. Why else would someone not only continually allow such e mails into his inbox, but also advertise to the perpetrator that he's reading them, and interrupting other activities to do so? The lady doth protest too much, methinks...the emails (whether real or otherwise) are serving Peterson too well for him to consider taking the really simple actions necessary to put a stop to them. In fact, I feel I'm not setting Peterson a good example by paying attention to a thread about him in the first place. Perhaps I should be ignoring him and any threads about him. Food for thought. /$0.02

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Kishkumen wrote:
Res Ipsa wrote:Doc’s other example is better, but the use of “pasterson” and the obsessive mocking of weight.

Yep. Those are pretty obvious markers. Not to sound cliched, but one might say a little too obvious.

My thought as well.

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Kishkumen wrote:I was saying that the person sending DCP these awful emails could be anybody.

Thank you. Yes, of course it could be anybody. You earlier mentioned that this issue was raised 7 years ago. That would coincide with the [delete] incident (or series of incidents) that I myself got dragged into.

Group messages going around, reporting threatening behavior, and a claim that LE was being brought into it.

Same thing that is happening right now. Only in this case, it could be anybody. So again, that leads me to ask---->why grindael? Why grindael right now? Why grindael this time?

Is grindael getting under DCP's skin over there on his blog?

DCP's been allegedly receiving threatening emails for 7 years and all of a sudden someone points the finger at grindael of all people?

How does that make logical sense? It doesn't. If it made logical sense, he'd be looking once again into [delete].

For ____ sakes, did Shades fill in the name of the person? I'm trying to be discrete over here. Thanks a ____ lot!
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Jersey Girl wrote:
Kishkumen wrote:Not to sound cliched, but one might say a little too obvious.

Yeah exactly.

I don't think it's too obvious if the stalker at least reads this board.
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Res Ipsa wrote:Jersey Girl, I think it’s a mistake to try and force these facts into a pattern that makes sense when people in general act in ways that don’t make sense and there is a good chance that we’re dealing with an irrational individual.

I’ve bumped into my share of broken former Mormons. They may have been broken when they went in, but they were certainly broken when they came out. It doesn’t surprise me that he has attracted a stalker. Hell, it happened to me, and my public profile is lots lower that Peterson’s. I’d be shocked if he were the only high profile LDS person who has that experience.

The messages to Grindael sounds like fishing to me. Whether it’s a critic who wants to be in the know or one of the faithful who wants to out the stalker, who knows?

I think you misunderstand me. The pattern of behavior I've pointed to is DCP's.

When I mentioned the DE incident(s) what I am saying (and I thought I did say) is that logically, if DCP is complaining about receiving threatening emails for 7 years, that fits the DE time frame so logically, he'd be pointing the finger at DE right now and not grindael if indeed he is point the finger via proxy at grindael.

That makes me wonder why anyone would suspect grindael and makes me consider what the motive might be for that. That's why I've asked more than once if grindael is giving him a hard time on the blog. grindael says he doesn't post there.

So again, why grindael? Why now?

No, I think I get it. What I'm saying is that there may not be a logical explanation for either of your questions.
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ETA: So grindael can't post email content around here because there's a rule against that (that actually protects the offending party) but when I'm trying to be discreet, admin modifies my posts and PLASTERS a known offenders name on the board.

Why not just put a bullseye on my forehead, Shades, goddamn it.
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Jersey Girl wrote:For ____ sakes, did Shades fill in the name of the person? I'm trying to be discrete over here. Thanks a ____ lot!

He used that exact name here, so it's okay. Some of the newer folks might not be familiar with what "DE" stands for, much less the attendant "incident."

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Dr. Shades wrote:
Jersey Girl wrote:For ____ sakes, did Shades fill in the name of the person? I'm trying to be discrete over here. Thanks a ____ lot!

He used that exact name here, so it's okay. Some of the newer folks might not be familiar with what "DE" stands for, much less the attendant "incident."

It's NOT okay with me! Stay out of my goddamn posts unless it's absolutely necessary.

This wasn't.
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Dr. Shades wrote:
Jersey Girl wrote:For ____ sakes, did Shades fill in the name of the person? I'm trying to be discrete over here. Thanks a ____ lot!

He used that exact name here, so it's okay. Some of the newer folks might not be familiar with what "DE" stands for, much less the attendant "incident."


Hey Shades, regardless of what personal information DE has shared here, it's Jersey Girl's post you modified without her permission. If you want to supply DE's full name, do it in a post under your own screen name.

You should fix this and ban yourself for 10 days for this infraction.
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Jersey Girl wrote:It's NOT okay with me! Stay out of my goddamn posts unless it's absolutely necessary.

This wasn't.


Yeah, Jersey Girl has a point. You're messing with the content of her post in what she is trying or trying not to express. You can't speak for her. Speak for yourself, Shades. It would be okay to post additional content in your own post but leave hers alone.

Jesus.

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I've removed the reference from my own posts. I can't remove the copies in the posts of others. I'm not willing to take part in giving said person a chance to search their name on this board, get wound up tighter than a schoolhouse clock and put DCP or anyone else (including me) at risk.
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Jersey Girl wrote:I've removed the reference from my own posts. I can't remove the copies in the posts of others. I'm not willing to take part in giving said person a chance to search their name on this board, get wound up tighter than a schoolhouse clock and put DCP or anyone else (including me) at risk.

No, **I** removed them right after I read your post.

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Dr. Shades wrote:
Jersey Girl wrote:I've removed the reference from my own posts. I can't remove the copies in the posts of others. I'm not willing to take part in giving said person a chance to search their name on this board, get wound up tighter than a schoolhouse clock and put DCP or anyone else (including me) at risk.

No, **I** removed them right after I read your post.


I just manually deleted the reference from my own posts. Whatever you did, you shouldn't have modified my posts to begin with.
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Kishkumen wrote: One of them showed that the email originated from "nobody@remailer.paranoici.org."

Was Dr. Midgley able to contact the secretary of the Strengthening the Membership Committee asking them to have the DeathStar target those coordinates?
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Regarding Peterson’s stories about the emails he receives, which he has many times attributed to his “malevolent stalker,” here’s a story he told in his presentation at the 2018 FairMormon Conference:

I have a critic, I refer to him as my malevolent stalker, who has been following me for fifteen years manufacturing stories about me and among the things he says about me is that I take in a seven figure apologetic salary from the Church.

https://www.fairmormon.org/conference/a ... hy-and-how

Right. :rolleyes:

So, when Peterson breaks out his story, again and again and again, year after year after year, about how awful it is that he continues to receive these emails-emails he somehow can’t manage to block, trace, report, or verify, I have my doubts.

If he can be dishonest enough to plagiarize the way he does, and dishonest enough to tell tall tales like the above, then it is obvious he can be dishonest enough to lie about other things as well.

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