Did The Church Break Up Families Post-Manifesto?

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Did The Church Break Up Families Post-Manifesto?

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Does anyone know of some good resources or research regarding what happened to polygamous families post-Manifesto?

I'm curious about what happened to the thousands of polygamous families? Were they sent packing? Did the majority of polygamous marriages continue underground against the law?

My polygamous ancestor's wife and children were basically kicked out and sent packing to California after the Manifesto.
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Both sides of my family were ravaged by polygamy. I was descended from sister wives who got the leftover crumbs and spent decades in poverty. The children were seen as bastards. I wouldn't be here but for polygamy but it was a terrible thing for them to live through.
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Maksutov wrote:Both sides of my family were ravaged by polygamy. I was descended from sister wives who got the leftover crumbs and spent decades in poverty. The children were seen as bastards. I wouldn't be here but for polygamy but it was a terrible thing for them to live through.


Thanks Maksutov.

I don't think I've ever heard about what happened to the thousands of families post-Manifesto. I wish I could find a resource to learn more. From what little info I can piece together, most of these families were split up.

The whole polygamy debacle was a real tragedy.
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Everybody Wang Chung wrote:
Maksutov wrote:Both sides of my family were ravaged by polygamy. I was descended from sister wives who got the leftover crumbs and spent decades in poverty. The children were seen as bastards. I wouldn't be here but for polygamy but it was a terrible thing for them to live through.


Thanks Maksutov.

I don't think I've ever heard about what happened to the thousands of families post-Manifesto. I wish I could find a resource to learn more. From what little info I can piece together, most of these families were split up.

The whole polygamy debacle was a real tragedy.


Yet who was the real villain, the LDS faith or the US government?

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Fiannan wrote:Yet who was the real villain, the LDS faith or the US government?

The manner by which former polygamy families were cared for or abandoned, after ending polygamy, should have been a concern for the Church.
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Yet who was the real villain, the LDS faith or the US government?


IMO, Both were to blame.
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Fiannan wrote:Yet who was the real villain, the LDS faith or the US government?

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Everybody Wang Chung wrote:Does anyone know of some good resources or research regarding what happened to polygamous families post-Manifesto?

I'm curious about what happened to the thousands of polygamous families? Were they sent packing? Did the majority of polygamous marriages continue underground against the law?

My polygamous ancestor's wife and children were basically kicked out and sent packing to California after the Manifesto.


The Reed Smoot investigation transcripts revealed the answer to this question.

The agreement with the government was to cease cohabitation with plural wives. That said nothing about continued financial support or living together without cohabitation. I wouldn't say that church did this; the government forced it upon the church. In response to the agreement, the government returned confiscated assets, released men from the penitentiary and restored the right to vote to Mormons. Church divorces were granted freely and there was an expectation although not enforced of continued support. The government did not recognize plural marriages so there was no civil divorce.

Pres. Woodruff complied, but he was a very old man.

Pres. Joseph F. Smith, who was in his 60s, testified before the Senate that he wasn't complying with the cessation of cohabitation. His response, when asked, was something along the lines of "I fear my wives more than I fear God." It is uncertain from the transcript whether Pres. Smith contracted additional plural marriages after the manifesto. There was reference in the transcript to a marriage out near Catalina Island, but he neither admitted nor denied, or else his denial wasn't clear.

My interpretation: You wouldn't get in trouble with the church if you continued to cohabit with your wives and produce children. The government wouldn't care about you except there was a view that the Church wasn't complying with the agreement with men out cohabiting. There was some period of time in which the Church looked the other way at new marriages, but that came to an end after a few years. My great grandfather was excommunicated in or around 1908 for three new marriages solemnized by either a Juarez stake president or an apostle. There was a strongly-held view the manifesto did not apply to Mexico, where plural marriages were also illegal. That view came to an end around 1908.
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Fiannan wrote:
Everybody Wang Chung wrote:
Thanks Maksutov.

I don't think I've ever heard about what happened to the thousands of families post-Manifesto. I wish I could find a resource to learn more. From what little info I can piece together, most of these families were split up.

The whole polygamy debacle was a real tragedy.


Yet who was the real villain, the LDS faith or the US government?


The church. They broke the laws, they lied, they exploited and abused. And then they murdered innocent people at the meadows. All of that cool with you? And don't play silly games about how it wasn't the church, it was some random a*holes around Cedar City. We know that they prayed for guidance and inspiration the night before the murder.
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I have to side with the church bearing responsibility for whatever suffering the abandoned plural wives and children went through. The church was the cause of the doctrine and abandoned it when financial pressure and jail time happened. It should have demanded that those who abandoned the practice not abandon their families and the church itself should have stepped up to the plate. Spousal support and child support should have been ordered and enforced and church support should have been liberal.
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Dr Exiled wrote:I have to side with the church bearing responsibility for whatever suffering the abandoned plural wives and children went through. The church was the cause of the doctrine and abandoned it when financial pressure and jail time happened. It should have demanded that those who abandoned the practice not abandon their families and the church itself should have stepped up to the plate. Spousal support and child support should have been ordered and enforced and church support should have been liberal.

Excellent point. The doctrine of Find them, Polygamate them and Forget them should not have been followed.
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