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A new story from Midgley:

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Dan has mentioned that he also has maintained in his own files a detailed contemporary record of what actually took place during The Purge in 2012. I did as well.

To give the FAKE professors and doctors some idea of at least a portion of what is or soon will be in the BYU Special Collections, they should have a close look at the following:

One thing that happened soon after the Purge involved Elder Boyd Packer, who was the last Apostle to visit with Elder Maxwell before he passed away. And Elder Packer promised Elder Maxwell that while he remained alive that he would try hard to prevent FARMS from morphing into something different from what it then was.

Hence soon after the Purge, Elder Packer asked--well, ordered--Greg Smith, Dan Peterson and me to provide evidence of (1) who exactly was responsible for the Purge, (2) an account of how this took place, and (3) recommendations for how to fix the problem. I believe that I was assigned #3.

We received this request, if I remember correctly, late Saturday evening. I spent that Sunday working on my assignment. We were also told that we should provide the necessary supporting textual evidence.

All of this either is now or soon will be in the Church Archive in Salt Lake, or the BYU Special Collections.

I wonder if Jerry Bradford had files, and, if he did , has he donated them to Special Collections.

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Why would BYU or the LDS church consider a simple change in administration something important enough to archive at the BYU Special Collections or the Church Archive; as in all the back and forths through email and what have you? I genuinely don't know if this is a routine thing done at academic institutions, hence my question.

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Dan has mentioned that he also has maintained in his own files a detailed contemporary record of what actually took place during The Purge in 2012. I did as well.

To give the FAKE professors and doctors some idea of at least a portion of what is or soon will be in the BYU Special Collections, they should have a close look at the following:

One thing that happened soon after the Purge involved Elder Boyd Packer, who was the last Apostle to visit with Elder Maxwell before he passed away. And Elder Packer promised Elder Maxwell that while he remained alive that he would try hard to prevent FARMS from morphing into something different from what it then was.

Hence soon after the Purge, Elder Packer asked--well, ordered--Greg Smith, Dan Peterson and me to provide evidence of (1) who exactly was responsible for the Purge, (2) an account of how this took place, and (3) recommendations for how to fix the problem. I believe that I was assigned #3.

We received this request, if I remember correctly, late Saturday evening. I spent that Sunday working on my assignment. We were also told that we should provide the necessary supporting textual evidence.

All of this either is now or soon will be in the Church Archive in Salt Lake, or the BYU Special Collections.

I wonder if Jerry Bradford had files, and, if he did , has he donated them to Special Collections.

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So the only place you’ll ever have to get an answer is what I post on a relatively unknown message board on the back side of the Internet?

It’ll either happen or it won’t. It’ll work or it won’t. Those things are left up to the future. The future will tell.

I have no plans to -tell- you about it here. I’d rather -show- anyone interested as it transpires. I’ll -show- you elsewhere.

You know, “show don’t tell.”

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Dan has mentioned that he also has maintained in his own files a detailed contemporary record of what actually took place during The Purge in 2012. I did as well.

To give the FAKE professors and doctors some idea of at least a portion of what is or soon will be in the BYU Special Collections, they should have a close look at the following:

One thing that happened soon after the Purge involved Elder Boyd Packer, who was the last Apostle to visit with Elder Maxwell before he passed away. And Elder Packer promised Elder Maxwell that while he remained alive that he would try hard to prevent FARMS from morphing into something different from what it then was.

Hence soon after the Purge, Elder Packer asked--well, ordered--Greg Smith, Dan Peterson and me to provide evidence of (1) who exactly was responsible for the Purge, (2) an account of how this took place, and (3) recommendations for how to fix the problem. I believe that I was assigned #3.

We received this request, if I remember correctly, late Saturday evening. I spent that Sunday working on my assignment. We were also told that we should provide the necessary supporting textual evidence.

All of this either is now or soon will be in the Church Archive in Salt Lake, or the BYU Special Collections.

I wonder if Jerry Bradford had files, and, if he did , has he donated them to Special Collections.

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Something tells me Midgley is conflating this meeting demanded by Packer in his latest story with his tale last year about a similar meeting with higher ups. As reported by Doctor Scratch a year ago:
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My God, this thing is really blowing up. This comment was posted to Dr. Peterson's most recent entry, and I predict he (DCP) will either ignore it or delete it:

Jon wrote:
Dr. Peterson, I would appreciate your comment on some statements recently made by Dr. Midgley:

1. Dr. Midgley: "The fact is that Professor Peterson was invited by Elder Quentin Cook, an Apostle yet, to join him and five crucial Seventies, and Scott Gordon and Laura and Brian Hales to prepare a proposal that was eventually presented to the Area Committee, which consist of the Twelve Apostles, and by the Seventy who are currently assigned in Salt Lake, on how best to replace the Maxwell Institute as an agency to defend the Church of Jesus Christ from its critics, including those critics who might still be nominal members of the Church. This group met three times to carefully prepare a proposal for the consideration of the Twelve Apostles. And Professor Peterson delivered their recommendations to a meeting of the Area Committee. Those proposals were well received and many of them have already been implemented."

Dr. Midgley: "I have been told that Elder Cook told that committee not to even mention the Maxwell Institute. The reason he gave is the Brethren had given up on it."

Dr. Peterson, were you invited by Elder Cook to help prepare a proposal "on how best to replace the Maxwell Institute as an agency to defend the Church of Jesus Christ from its critics, including those critics who might still be nominal members of the Church"? If so, what recommendations did you deliver to the meeting of the Area Committee and which recommendations have been implemented?

Dr. Peterson, have you likewise been told that Elder Cook told the committee not to mention the Maxwell Institute because church leaders "had given up on it"?

2. Dr. Midgley: "One of the proposals was that the Brethren ought to officially endorse the Interpreter Foundation, Book of Mormon Central and FAIR reliable sources of information. That has been done. Then, instead of using tithing money to finance the defense of the faith and the Saints, it was proposed, and accepted, that the Brethren establish an agency to seek donations to help finance Interpreter, Book of Mormon Central and FAIR. This agency is now operating; it is called Mormon Voices."

Dr. Midgley: "I urge you to keep an eye on the annual report that the Maxwell Institute make each year in January. Then you can have a look at what he had to say to and about the Maxwell Institute, including a good idea of what the outside assessment that was made by three outstanding scholars had to say about the drift that has taken place since the purge that immediately led to the founding of the Interpreter Foundation, and then eventually to the endorsement of FAIR, Book of Mormon Central and the Interpreter Foundation and more recently to the creation by the Brethren, after careful consideration, of a coordinating agency to oversee the work of those three independent agencies, and also to raise and disburse funds to help support their endeavors."

Dr. Peterson, is it true that Mormon Voices is an agency that was "establish[ed]" by church leaders? If so, does Mormon Voices operate with church funds and is it operated, in whole or in part, by church employees? In what ways does the Mormon Voices "oversee the work" (to use Dr. Midgley's words) of the Interpreter Foundation? Does the Interpreter Foundation receive funding, or has it received funding, from the church? Does the church exercise any type of editorial oversight/control with regard to the Interpreter Foundation's publications?

3. "[W]hat President Samuelson did not know is that one of the Brethren--Elder Packer, for any who are interested, urged us to have Gregory Smith write that essay. And I have it reviewed by several of the Brethren by sending a copy to Elder Bruce Porter, who had constant contact with the Apostles. He was in charge of all the Apostolic committees, including the Area Committee. And I also sent a copy to the secretary to the Strengthening the Church Members Committee so that the Seventies who constitute that committee comment on it."

Dr. Peterson, is it true that you, as editor of the FARMS Review/Mormon Studies Review, were urged by Elder Packer to invite Gregory Smith to write the Dehlin review essay? If so, how did Elder Packer communicate his wish? Did you, as editor of the FARMS Review/Mormon Studies Review, ask Dr. Smith to write the essay? Did you have the essay reviewed by several church leaders? Did you receive comments on the essay from any Seventies?


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Something tells me Midgley is conflating this meeting demanded by Packer in his latest story with his tale last year about a similar meeting with higher ups.


But there is no mention of Packer in the text you quote in your latest post, is there?

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Something tells me Midgley is conflating this meeting demanded by Packer in his latest story with his tale last year about a similar meeting with higher ups.

But there is no mention of Packer in the text you quote in your latest post, is there?

Well yes, there is, but not in a meeting context. I don't assume Midgley is above conflating completely unrelated “meeting with the Brethren” stories. Even to the extent that he may “remember” meetings he didn’t even attend.


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Yeah, I don’t know how much stock to put in Midgley’s memory at this point. It looks like he is garbling things, definitely. This would be far from the only garbled looking revelation.

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Hence soon after the Purge, Elder Packer asked--well, ordered--Greg Smith, Dan Peterson and me to provide evidence of (1) who exactly was responsible for the Purge, (2) an account of how this took place, and (3) recommendations for how to fix the problem. I believe that I was assigned #3.

Here is some further information about those recommendations.

"I made up a shortlist for Elder Packer of some helpful items that would greatly expand our valiant defense of Mormonism against the forces of the adversary:

1. A fleet of drones with precision-guided missiles.
2. Freedom to attack any and all who get in our way or annoy us.
3. Special Agent nametags and badges.
4. $1,000,000 annual budget, plus an apologetic contingency fund.
5. Fancy placard designating a Midgley-Peterson executive suite at the Maxwell Institute.

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A new story from Midgley:

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Louis Midgley DanielPeterson 2 hours ago

Dan has mentioned that he also has maintained in his own files a detailed contemporary record of what actually took place during The Purge in 2012. I did as well.

To give the FAKE professors and doctors some idea of at least a portion of what is or soon will be in the BYU Special Collections, they should have a close look at the following:

One thing that happened soon after the Purge involved Elder Boyd Packer, who was the last Apostle to visit with Elder Maxwell before he passed away. And Elder Packer promised Elder Maxwell that while he remained alive that he would try hard to prevent FARMS from morphing into something different from what it then was.

Hence soon after the Purge, Elder Packer asked--well, ordered--Greg Smith, Dan Peterson and me to provide evidence of (1) who exactly was responsible for the Purge, (2) an account of how this took place, and (3) recommendations for how to fix the problem. I believe that I was assigned #3.

We received this request, if I remember correctly, late Saturday evening. I spent that Sunday working on my assignment. We were also told that we should provide the necessary supporting textual evidence.

All of this either is now or soon will be in the Church Archive in Salt Lake, or the BYU Special Collections.

I wonder if Jerry Bradford had files, and, if he did , has he donated them to Special Collections.

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpeters ... 4758437606

Boy, oh, boy: Midgley is a never-ending fount of revelation! So, sure: we've understood for many years that there was a "Packer Faction." That was the phrase I used back in circa 2010 or so, and DCP and the people on the old FAIRboard laughed and laughed about this: "How absurd! Why would anyone think that there was a 'Packer Faction' that was calling the shots vis-à-vis Mopologetics?" Except, once again, vindication is mine, because just look at what Midgley is saying. Yes: it doesn't surprise me at all that Packer "ordered" such a thing. (Though why was Greg Smith invited? Because of his demonstrated viciousness?) Remember: Packer was the one who ordered the excommunication of D. Michael Quinn and others. He was always the main one who was interested in ferreting out "dissenters," so it makes perfect sense that he would be overseeing key elements of the Mopologists' "work."

Also: re: your other post--I'm fairly certain this it is referring to a *separate* meeting. You (as always) helpfully linked to the source material, and I'm struck by this passage from DCP's original blog entry:

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A third and final final note: I see that the tiny group of my most obsessive critics is now inventing an entire new narrative in which the Brethren (who seem, in these critics’ minds, alternately to despise and reject me and to regard me as a valuable if sordid weapon against goodness and truth) are now funding Interpreter and directing our every move. Or something like that. If these critics weren’t so predisposed to fantasies and conspiracies and so certain that everything I say is a lie, they could simply ask me questions and I would answer them. I’m a pretty transparent fellow, and I have nothing to hide. But they seem to love the devilry that they’ve invented and ascribed to me and to prefer it to the truth. They’re blissfully happy with it. Thus, at least for now, they apparently can’t be helped.


Of course, this was the exact same "oh, gee, how silly!" tone he adopted when we were inquiring years ago into the Brethren's relationship with Mopologetics. The trouble is the Midgley utterly contradicts him:

Midgley wrote:
One of the proposals was that the Brethren ought to officially endorse the Interpreter Foundation, Book of Mormon Central and FAIR reliable sources of information. That has been done. Then, instead of using tithing money to finance the defense of the faith and the Saints, it was proposed, and accepted, that the Brethren establish an agency to seek donations to help finance Interpreter, Book of Mormon Central and FAIR. This agency is now operating; it is called Mormon Voices.


So, uh, yeah. A deal was hammered out involving Peterson, Scott Gordon, and the Haleses, and indeed, the involved a whole bunch of the Brethren, and it resulted in "official" endorsements of their Mopologetic projects, and also with a special "agency" to drum up funds for them? How much of the "Witnesses" budget came from Mormon Voices?

You can sense DCP really sweating over all of this over on "Sic et Non." He's definitely rattled--concerned over how much Midgley has revealed, and worried that he's incapable of doing effective damage control. There are a lot of sock puppets over there (and no, Dr. Midgley, that isn't me; commenting at that "sewer" is beneath me), and I wish one of them would press him on these issues.

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Boy, oh, boy: Midgley is a never-ending fount of revelation! . . . once again, vindication is mine, because just look at what Midgley is saying.

If I was an outside observer, I'd be tempted to conclude that Louis Midgley is one of Doctor Scratch's informants.

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Why do they always claim to have acted on orders from Brethren who are dead? Who’s orders are they currently acting on, what are those orders, and how much are they getting for it?

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Why do they always claim to have acted on orders from Brethren who are dead? Who’s orders are they currently acting on, what are those orders, and how much are they getting for it?


Because some people feel that bringing in authority gives their statements more credibility and makes them look more powerful. I generally see this action as a sign of weakness and the inability to stand confidently on one’s own two feet. A strong person doesn’t need to refer to authority.

Mormonism breeds weakness..... lots of people competing to be on the side of the brethren. Lots of butting of heads and puffing up of chests. Mormonism really hurts men. Men who already know they’re valuable no matter what any “brethren” say don’t act like this.

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Boy, oh, boy: Midgley is a never-ending fount of revelation! . . . once again, vindication is mine, because just look at what Midgley is saying.

If I was an outside observer, I'd be tempted to conclude that Louis Midgley is one of Doctor Scratch's informants.


This gets back to the importance of any dated chronology including the dates leaks were made and what happens after the leaks.

Leaks, media reports, podcasts..... they’re all part of the story if anyone really wants to get to the “truth.”

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Oh...... and lawsuits of course. And what media is and isn’t reporting about them.

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Oh...... and lawsuits of course. And what media is and isn’t reporting about them.


What lawsuits are you talking about?

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Also: re: your other post--I'm fairly certain this it is referring to a *separate* meeting.

Yes, I see your point, the “Packer faction” info explains a lot.


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Also: re: your other post--I'm fairly certain this it is referring to a *separate* meeting.

Yes, I see your point, the “Packer faction” info explains a lot.


I think that they are genuinely riled up over these latest revelations--both the documents from the "new" MI people, and the stuff Midgley has been saying. It's worth considering who the key "factions" at the moment are for them. Midgley has already supplied us with quite a few clues. And, based on what he has said, it would appear that these Apostles are funneling money to the Interpreter Foundation. How ironic would it be if "Mormon Voices" was chipping in money for Skousen's "Ghost Committee" project--an enterprise that was rumored to be opposed by the General Authorities?

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