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PostPosted: Thu Sep 12, 2019 4:33 pm 
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I received a request from Ed Goble to please post a link to his Podcast and to dissect it. Ed expressed a desire that Philo Sofee also check it out. Anyone else? Have at it!

Robert Norton - Guest Host Ed Goble

I'll put the Podcast on my list of things to do. I'm willing to bet this is Ed's last stand. He's reach a summation of his Book of Abraham apologetic and once he loses confidence in his theory his shelf will finally break. I hope there are those on this board that would take interest in putting weight on his shelf.

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First 14 minutes is nothing but idle chat about a variety of things that don't matter to anyone other than the two people talking.

Skip those 14 minutes and do anything else. Go to the toilet. Wash the dishes. Vacuum the carpet. Anything would prove more interesting.

Christ Jesus! :neutral:

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First 25 minutes of idle chat that nobody will find interesting or of value. Just random talk about nothing that matters.

Not good.

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Ed Goble 45:00 wrote:
I'm not saying it's proof, it might give them something to hold on to until a reason to come around to actually giving the Book of Mormon and the Book of Abraham and the rest of our scriptures and the rest of our claims in the church -- it might give them a reason to actually decide to take it seriously and get a testimony about it by the Holy Ghost. And so we're not looking for proof because I just don't think that in this situation that we're in we're not really offered proof, but . . . .


First of all, we have all the proof we need to disprove the Book of Mormon and the Book of Abraham. Both books have been proven frauds by the evidence and through scholarly context. Joseph Smith made claims and they have been disproven. End of story!

I once had a testimony of the Book of Mormon and the Book of Abraham given me of the Holy Ghost. The problem is that the Holy Ghost is also a fraud -- self induced feelings -- a psychological mess. Once one gets past the silly so-called testimony of the Holy Ghost and objectively look at the evidence and proof then they can allow light to shine in their minds and come to real understanding. Mormonism retards this light, keeps people in bondage, and convinces people to deny truth when it's ever so obvious.

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When I was a small child I prayed about whether Santa was real and the Holy Ghost told me that he was. It bothers me a little bit that I have to come up with explanations that are increasingly complex and unlikely for how he could be real given the evidence that I see. But I know he is real, because the Holy Ghost made me feel good when I said a prayer those many years ago.

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A testimony is like the old tv movie "Hawaii Five-O."

I had a friend who really believed that that entity existed in reality. He watched every single episode on tv and wanted to be a part of the cop force in Hawaii and so went to Hawaii to join Hawaii Five-O, only to be disappointed when he discovered it wasn't actually real. It ruined his teen aged years. He was miserable and depressed for years about it. He had the opportunity to learn this truth when his entire family took them vacationing to Hawaii when he was 15 years old. The power of wreaking havoc on impressionable young minds should not be over-estimated.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 11:51 am 
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Minutes 45-60

Ed throws in NAHOM as big proof for the Book of Mormon. I find it hypocritical that he'll give Smith credit for the consonantal elements of a single name found over in yonder land and yet there is no king's name in Facsimile No. 3. Giving credit to Smith for finding NAHOM and giving him a pass on the missing king's name is unfair. Red Flag!

Other terms pertaining to the KEP (alphabet) are sections, markers, pairings and puns. The PAIRINGS are significant because they are what "create the relationship" in making the hieroglyphs translate into something, anything, in which Joseph Smith was thinking. Just find a parallel, anything that might suggest, "Hey look Joseph really was on to something!"

Riiiiight.

The whole concept seems based on just trying to find anything to raise interest and create a connection between what Joseph Smith said and what the Egyptian symbols are showing. The whole process, however, has nothing to do with real language or converting one language into another -- such as French into German. It's pretty much ____ in allowing Smith to invent and create fiction according to whatever comes out of his head.

It seems that the host is getting board and doesn't seem very convinced:

host 57:58 wrote:
Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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When I was a small child I prayed about whether Santa was real and the Holy Ghost told me that he was. It bothers me a little bit that I have to come up with explanations that are increasingly complex and unlikely for how he could be real given the evidence that I see. But I know he is real, because the Holy Ghost made me feel good when I said a prayer those many years ago.

If you pray about whether the Book of Mormon (or any other facet the Church wants you to believe) is true and the Holy Ghost tells you it is, that means it’s true. If you pray about whether the Book of Mormon is true and the Holy Ghost tells you it isn’t, that doesn't mean it isn’t true. It’s the old double-headed coin scam.

It’s also worth noting the Holy Ghost can manifest himself in a limitless number of bodily or mental sensations that recipients are at a loss to explain or predict. It could be, quite literally, anything. All that matters is that you retrospectively assign how you felt to the Holy Ghost confirming what it is the church tells you it should be.

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I have a question wrote:
If you pray about whether the Book of Mormon (or any other facet the Church wants you to believe) is true and the Holy Ghost tells you it is, that means it’s true. If you pray about whether the Book of Mormon is true and the Holy Ghost tells you it isn’t, that doesn't mean it isn’t true. It’s the old double-headed coin scam.


Imagine the church challenging potential converts to learn about the truthfulness of the Explanations of Facsimile No. 3 by exhorting them to ask God if those things are NOT true. How many people would join the church by gaining a testimony of Facsimile No. 3? I mean, come on! Is the Book of Mormon MORE true than the Explanations of Facsimile No. 3? Both accounts come from Joseph Smith and both accounts are in Mormon canon so they should be equally just as true. Will the Holy Ghost confirm that? I think it's easier to trip people up by getting them to go to God for a good feeling about the Book of Mormon but good luck with the Facsmiles. The Holy Ghost is going to run from the Facsimiles. No testimony to be gained there.

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Ed Goble 1:02 wrote:
The priest named Hor commissioned for his scribes to write his Book of Breathings, he was so enamored and had such respect for the Jewish patriarchs, Abraham in particular with whom he identified, he wanted to have his own custom alphabet aligned with Abrahamic content . . . .


Talk about making ____ up! There is nothing in the papyrus or in the Facsimiles that leads us to think the scribe had any kind of affinity for the Jewish god. Everything about the papyrus has everything to do with the Egyptian gods and the Egyptian gods only. There is no room or content therein for Jehovah or the Jewish patriarchs. That is a ridiculous assertion on Ed's part -- it's pure fantasy!

Ed wants us to think the scribe was enamored towards Jehovah who somehow sits on the throne in Facsimiles 2 & 3 while at the same time allowing Smith to hack off Anubis's snout in Facsimile No. 3 -- desecrating a god of Egypt and calling him a slave. There is nothing in the Facsimiles that shows any kind of regard to the Jewish god but every regard to the Egyptian gods. The Egyptians had no regard for the Jewish war god. You can't mix Jewish religion into Egyptian funerary spells. That's like trying to insert Mormon teachings into a book on witchcraft or black magic. It doesn't mix. You can't pair them. No way.

Ed truly is a lone wolf. He needs to give this ____ up. It's over. The Book of Abraham is a proven FRAUD.

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***ATTENTION***

Ed Goble has sent me an email claiming to reveal the name of the king in Facsimile No. 3 and has asked me to share his findings with the board:

Ed Goble wrote:
Now for the name of the Pharoah (above the image of Isis, who is Pharaoh) in Facsimile #3. Here are the precedents. In the Hor papyrus text, the name for, and Hor, the owner of the papyrus, Taykeybit, Usiwer, his mother and his father, the names, which are known names of people in this very papyrus are NOT given in cartouches either. Hor are the consonants HR from the Name Hor or Horos, named after the God Horus, but he is the owner of the Papyrus. Taykebit means Dancer, yet it is a name. but not in a cartouche. Usiwer/Wsrwr is "Osiris the Great", notwithstanding it is the name of the father of Hor, the owner of the papyrus. The precedent of the name Katumin in the Book of the Dead papyrus is similar, which is given as the consonants, alternately as Ktmyn or Ktmdwyn or Yrtmyn. The name of the Pharaoh, as given both by Rhodes and by Ritner, notwithstanding it translates to "Great Isis, mother of the God", (just like how Wsrwr translates as "Osiris the great" is still a name too), breaking out in consonants is Ist-Wrt-Mwt-Ntr. Therefore, the name of Pharaoh from the book of Abraham is Astoret-Motneter. This is no different than Maher-shalal-hashbaz from Isaiah chapter 8. Where is the mystery here? Feel free to share this information with anybody on Mormon Discussions. I have kept my side of the bargain. Here is the name of Pharoah for you from Facsimile 3, following available precedents: Astoret-Motneter.


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Me thinks Ed needs a seer stone......... :rolleyes: Well hey, at least we NOW know the name of the king in facsimile 3..... :lol: :lol: :lol:

I get the feeling that Ed is pulling a MentalGymnast on us........ hang on, let me get the Holy Ghost on my iphone so I can confirm this translation, be right back!

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Philo Sofee wrote:
Me thinks Ed needs a seer stone......... :rolleyes: Well hey, at least we NOW know the name of the king in facsimile 3..... :lol: :lol: :lol:

I get the feeling that Ed is pulling a MentalGymnast on us........ hang on, let me get the Holy Ghost on my iphone so I can confirm this translation, be right back!


I know, I know -- I hear ya.

Right now, I simply have no words. I wish Ed all the best and hope that he is happy and doing well.

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OH WOW! It's a miracle! Look closely at this photograph of Jehovah talking to Abraham! You can actually see the two spaghetti figures of both men! Behind them is the ram caught in the thicket! This is a miracle. Spaghetti testifying of the truth of the Book of Abraham via the biblical story of Abraham sacrificing Isaac, only after with the ram caught in the thicket. Isaac is probably off to the left out of the scene peeing as he was quite scared to death when Abraham brought out that knife for him....CHECKMATE CRITICS! Even spaghetti testifies of Joseph Smith's true translation!

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Ed Goble wrote:
Here is the name of Pharoah for you from Facsimile 3, following available precedents: Astoret-Motneter


According to biblical chronology, Abraham was born nearly 2,000 years BC -- dated at 1948 BC. According to the Book of Abraham he was 62 when he set out from Haran but the bible says he was 75. After living in Haran for 10 years, Abram, Sarah, and Lot, left Canaan because of famine and went to Egypt at about 1873 BC.

This adventure into Egypt would have occurred during the powerful 12 Dynasty, iconic kings in Egyptian history:

1991–1962 BC Sehotep-ib-re (Amenemhat I)
1971–1926 BC Kheper-ka-re (Senusret I)
1929–1895 BC Neb-kau-re (Amenemhat II)
1897–1878 BC Kha-kheper-re (Senusret II)
1878–1860 BC Kha-kau-re (Senusret III)
1860–1815 BC Nemaat-re (Amenemhat III)

Folks, I'm afraid that Ed Goble's idea of inserting his king's name of Astoret-Motneter into the 12th Dynasty is impossible. And given what we know about the 12th Dynasty and their hatred towards the vile Asiatic there is no way in hell that Abraham strolled down into the king's court and sat on the king's throne. The very idea is utterly preposterous!

There was no king by the name of Astoret-Motneter in which Ed Goble has taken the sacred label in Facsimile No. 3: "Isis the great, the god's mother", in a vain attempt to connect a king with the label identifying an Egyptian goddess.

Joseph Smith was wrong!

Ed Goble is wrong!

Period. End of discussion.

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If there is no Cartouche there is no king's name. That was the #1 rule of the Egyptian religion at that time pertaining to the king. It is not possible that an Egyptian priest would record a king's name on sacred funerary papyri without enclosing it in the sacred ring in order to give the king eternal life with the sun god Ra. Without the emblem the king cannot have eternal life.

The FACT that there is no legitimate king's name in Facsimile No. 3 and being properly contained in the royal icon of the sun is absolute proof that Joseph Smith was wrong and so also is Ed Goble.

Ed, you're wrong -- I rebuke you. Nobody believes you. I doubt you even believe yourself but are trying to convince yourself or get spooky feelings from your friend the ghost in order to continue with this charade.

You won't find the name Shulem on the papyrus either. It's not there. Is it? Show me!

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Not to be found on Facsimile No. 3

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A royal of Egypt during the time of Abraham's supposed journey to Egypt:

"Khakaure Senusret III was a pharaoh of Egypt. He ruled from 1878 BC to 1839 BC during a time of great power and prosperity, and was the fifth king of the Twelfth Dynasty of the Middle Kingdom." Wikipedia

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To be honest, my heart tickled just a little bit when I realized that Ed Goble came close in nailing the king's name -- but it's no cigar, and Facsimile No. 3 doesn't bear a royal king's name, at all. It's a funerary scene for a man named Hor before the gods -- not a royal court scene.

Anyway, the birth name of Khakaure (Sesostris III) is Senusret which means: 'Man of goddess Wosret'. She was a minor goddess whose cult was based in Thebes and three kings of the 12th Dynasty bore her name.

Ha ha, Ed, close, but no cigar.

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Shulem wrote:
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Ed Goble wrote:
I cracked the Shulem cryptogram for figure 5, and I am serious about what I am doing. It's time for you guys to come back and help me. Please come to your senses.

"Osiris Hor, the justified forever"
Wsir Hr p3 m3-hrw r d.t

p3 = duck flying = Gardiner's G40, the or fly
m3-hrw = Gardiner's P8, ship oar, hrw, justified

r/er = Gardiner's D21, mouth

d = Gardiner's I10, cobra/snake
t = Gardiner's X1, small loaf of bread, t=bread
Gardiner's N16 = flat land/earth determinaive for dt/eternity

Strongs Hebrew 6310 peh - mouth
Strongs Hebrew 5175 nahash - a serpent
Strongs Hebrew 3899. lechem -Â bread
Strongs Hebrew 776 erets - earth

reverse engineered Hebrew from the hieroglyphics, jammed together:
penahshlechemerets

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penah-shlechem-erets

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penah-shlechem-merets

Strongs 6438. pinnah = chief, pinnacle, chieftain

erets/merets = pun on two words:
Strongs 8334 sharath =servant, waiter
Strongs 4453. meltsar = waiter / servant

=Shulem (Shlechem), the principal waiter/servant


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Don't panic, Kerry.

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