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 Post subject: Re: The Church & Guns - I have a question...
PostPosted: Fri Sep 06, 2019 8:15 am 
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The Church only has this policy to protect itself from lawsuits should someone feel threatened or get hurt in a contentious priesthood meeting.
I think that policy of protecting the finances of the Church is behind most of the Church's policy amendments and additions.


That's exactly right. The church is nothing more than a business run by a law firm. The prophet (NelSatan) is little more than an old puppet who goes around making public appearances for show. They are putting on a show while all along all they really care about is building a financial empire and keeping the members as loyal slaves to their organization.

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 Post subject: Re: The Church & Guns - I have a question...
PostPosted: Fri Sep 06, 2019 8:42 am 
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ldsfaqs wrote:
Well...

1. People believe in God and look to Him for guidance and protection in their lives.

2. They live in a Warzone, an extreme example, and STILL are believers per the above.

3. Bad guys can do harm "anywhere"... Some people simply believe in being prepared.
In case you don't know, many lives are SAVED out there in the real world by good guys with a gun.

Do you actually think it's better people die, than to be prepared?


If there are any rational gun owners reading this, ask yourself this; how comfortable would you be knowing this guy is attending your church meeting carrying a loaded weapon?

What are the chances that someone attacks the meeting you are in AND FAQS actually is able to effectively and safely defend that meeting against that attack?

Nil, none, zero, nada, zilch, zip. The possibility that those two thing happen is a negative number. :lol:

I don't have any issue if someone like an off duty sheriff or police officer, who is supposed to carry a weapon and is trained to use it, is at church, but if we are at a point where it is necessary for the general membership to carry concealed weapons to meetings because there is a legitimate possibility of an attack there, then we shouldn't be going to those meetings. Period. And, allowing any wacko who wants to bring a weapon to church isn't making that meeting safer. If this really is a problem somewhere, then the church should hire armed guards for those locations.

There is a huge difference between putting shutters on windows to defend against a storm we know is coming and carrying weapons to a church meeting to defend against an attack that has almost zero possibility of happening.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2019 7:47 pm 
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So, one of the subreddits I'm subscribed to is /r/dees/nuts which is:

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Dedicated to David Dees' dynamically demented depictions.

David Dees is a conspiracist who produces strangely Norman Rockwell-esque images depicting his ur-theory which combines every insane belief under the sun. This sub collects his work because it's a fascinating look into the mind of conspiratorially insane people; it does not endorse the messages contained in these images.


And this thread fed to my front page:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Dees_Nuts/comm ... _i_am_god/

So, I was like, "Huh. I wonder what crazy ____ Ben Garrison host posted lately, and was treated with this incredibly disturbing imagery:

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I'm tucking this into this thread because the few times I've seen gun legislation articles on the Salt Lake Tribune, it's usually met with some pretty strong pushback by gun advocates (presumably mostly Mormon since we're in Utah). Anyway. It' wasn't all that unusual growing up in the Church during the 70's and 80's to get a strong dose of Birch society mixed with last days prepper mixed with armed-to-the-teeth Constitutionalists. That Tree of Liberty thing, and I've dropped the reference a few times on this forum, has very strong roots (no pun intended) in Conservative circles. When I see stuff like that and the imagery posted above I'm not hopeful we'll move to a good place regarding gun legislation; I'm not sure the Church could really move its faithful toward better gun control without losing a significant portion of them to their 'Tree of Liberty' ideology.

Crazy days.

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eta: Oh, and the bird with a triangle on its head is a reference to either Masons or Jews:

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I've spent a significant amount of time on 4chan since the last shooting to try and figure the place out, and I can tell you that a LOT of the people that post on that site have a huge hard-on for Jews. They're convinced the Jews have a large scale policy of destroying the White race OR they're just naturally parasitic to whatever host country entertains them and they end up destroying that country's ethnicity from within.

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 Post subject: Re: The Church & Guns - I have a question...
PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 11:31 pm 
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
ldsfaqs wrote:
Do you actually think it's better people die, than to be prepared?


You're telling me if you just partook of the sacrament, and then were killed you'd be upset about going to the Celestial kingdom?

- Doc


No, but the Gospel isn't about "blind faith" or "blind obedience".
God requires us to DO OUR PART... and THEN Trust in Him.

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 Post subject: Re: The Church & Guns - I have a question...
PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 11:44 pm 
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Gadianton wrote:
The last time faqs went deer hunting it was with a .223; poor Bambi. He doesn’t own any guns nor does he have any real shooting experience so not sure why it matters so much.

The Church only has this policy to protect itself from lawsuits should someone feel threatened or get hurt in a contentious priesthood meeting.

Toon, I totally get where your coming from and you did call it, this may be the line the sand for marginal right-wing members like faqs, but I think they should reconsider. Aren’t these the same people who blame the victims of abuse by their leaders? Don’t they want to protect the Church’s financial interests, even with their very lives?

Think about the cattle ranches.


1. I have NEVER hunted with a "gun". When I did hunt deer I did so with a Recurve Bow, out of respect for the animal, and to be a man, because to me hunting with a gun is a **** move and disrespect to the animal.

2. I love how you people lie so easily about people. I do own guns, and I have a LOT of shooting experience with all kinds of guns, not to mention my experience in the Marine Corps in which I obtained Expert Rifleman.

3. Nobody "blames victims"... Don't confuse your fantasy's of the church with our reality.

4. It's not the end of the world for me that the church is sometimes imperfect in "policy's". Though, that's not exactly true, one misinterpreted policy by local leaders has had serious damage on me and my family. My family and me, I'm certain would have been saved had it not been for this policy.
Anyway, that's another story.... However, in general, I will do what I need to do, not make an issue out of it, despite a bad policy. I know the Doctrine, and Weapons are clearly fine to God and Jesus for the people, and even for the Apostles.

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 Post subject: Re: The Church & Guns - I have a question...
PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 11:49 pm 
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Jersey Girl wrote:
Philo Sofee wrote:
In a church, it wouldn't matter if you die there or not. You are on your way to heaven, no? So why worry about dying?


If you are a believer and believe that you are headed to heaven, what possible difference does the location make to begin with?

So faqs is talking about being prepared for the worst by carrying, right? By your reckoning, it shouldn't matter if a believer is prepared at all for anything or take any precautions.

If a hurricane is coming, I shouldn't bother sandbagging or shuttering the house.

If I drive a car, I should never test the brakes because eff it.

If I'm sick, I should just skip the doctor.

If the house is on fire, I should sit there and burn. Heck with the fire extinguisher in the kitchen.

I'm not saying that I support carrying (concealed or open) in a church building. What I am saying (in so many words) is that you seem to be making believers faith into a cartoon and using cartoonish reasoning to draw it.


Well said Jersey....

It's always sad to me how ex-Mormons who become anti-mormon think/speak as if they NEVER knew the Church, the Gospel, etc. having a completely distorted and false understanding.
But you a non-mormon entirely understand my point...

Thanks again. :) Loves to Pug!

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 Post subject: Re: The Church & Guns - I have a question...
PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2019 10:50 am 
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ldsfaqs wrote:
1. At the lowest estimates, 200,000 lives are SAVED by guns every year in the U.S.

Interestingly, the same methodology used in the study that gained this estimate has shown that there are tens of thousands of virgin births each year in the US.

Science!

British Medical Journal Study

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