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PostPosted: Wed Sep 04, 2019 1:29 pm 
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And so if you go through with this, I would strongly suggest that you hold him to "good faith" moderation of his blog, and have a keen sense IF he tries to beat the system by having the war continued by other means or other parties.

Speaking of “good faith moderation,” I would assume Midgley’s description of this board, left up for 15 hours now, would not qualify:
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Jordan:

You turned up today for the very first time. We have a batch of fake doctors and professors who come to Professor Peterson's blog to do their very best to stink up the place. One of these calls himself gemli, and he is own very own Village Atheist. By that I mean that he is a radical, dogmatic very religious atheist. He is not the least bit interested in the faith of Latter-day Saint, or in the actual faith of any other Christians, or Jew, or Muslim. What he attributes to anyone who has faith in God does not resemble what any of these versions of faith in God actually belief. He is constantly bashing away at a Straw Man, which is a fatal logical fallacy. He has posted well over five thousand times setting out his dogmatic atheist faith.

In addition, there is also a disgusting message board where two fake doctors are obsessed with Professor Peterson. And one or both of them, or one of the inmates in that rat's nest, has created over twenty fake doctors and professors who, it seems, can upvote any item that they realize is weird, juvenile, disgusting. They actually think that this is cute.


There are some other fake doctors. One of my favorites posts under a handle that actually means Little Old Donkey.

When you turned up some seemed to have wondered if you were an invention of the rabble on this miserable message board. I hope that this will explain the concern that you are merely still another one of this "Squad" of stupidity.

https://disqus.com/home/discussion/danp ... 4603664570

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re: this and also the new "gas" example in the 10x thread.

Suddenly, Gemli is now "one of these" fake doctors. Just days ago, he was praising Gemli for not being one of the fake doctors, when he hoped it would serve his purpose. This is classic abuse mentality. Praise and encourage the person, and when it doesn't work out like you wanted, punish them all the more.

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re: this and also the new "gas" example in the 10x thread.

Suddenly, Gemli is now "one of these" fake doctors. Just days ago, he was praising Gemli for not being one of the fake doctors, when he hoped it would serve his purpose. This is classic abuse mentality. Praise and encourage the person, and when it doesn't work out like you wanted, punish them all the more.


Revision: This is classic narcissistic abuse mentality.

You're welcome.
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Funny that the apology comes over a relatively mild accusation in the "Comments" section of a mostly unremarkable blog--and only after money is offered, no less. I guess it's okay to do that, since the offense is so minor, and, really, it's like the worst thing the person in question has ever done.

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Funny that the apology comes over a relatively mild accusation in the "Comments" section of a mostly unremarkable blog--and only after money is offered, no less. I guess it's okay to do that, since the offense is so minor, and, really, it's like the worst thing the person in question has ever done.


Well, we know, in true Joseph Smith fashion, that money to them is far more important than truth. And after they get the dough, they will resort right back to their normal mode of spiritual behavior. :rolleyes: Jesus himself could come to Dan Peterson and ask him why he is making him look so bad, and Peterson would tell him "Go to hell!" just like he did to Blair...

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Sorry, I'm not sure if this is the right thread for it, but this thread Lemmie cited is epic. Jordan Rudd is a genius.

JR wrote:
No need to apologize, Mr. Peterson. I'm still left wondering how a people can possess a land unto themselves and be hidden from other nations while at the same time intermarrying and blending into them.


DCP wrote:
Not presumptuous at all, Dr. Rudd. And quite sincere.


JR wrote:
I'm not a Dr. but I appreciate the gesture.


DCP wrote:
I AM a "Dr."

I was, I confess, probing a bit to see whether your reference to me as "Mr." was meant as a jab. I don't really care for titles all that much, but some of my critics, I think, like to call me "Mr." as a way of symbolically stripping me, in their view, of academic respectability, etc. It's always seemed rather childish to me.


Lol. Now hold on a second. I'm having a really hard time placing who it is who has referred to him as "Mr." Can someone fill me in? If it's been done, I'm thinking on a rare occasion. Certainly, it's an untruth that "some" of his critics "call" him by "Mr." as in, regularly address him that way.

Dr. Moore, I submit this as an example of how our subject takes controversy that involves others and makes it about him, in order to score victim status points.

JR wrote:
Not meant as a jab, "Mr" is simply the title I've been using for nearly everyone in this thread. I'm sure your Ph.D. is well deserved.


Lol.

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Notice too how Jared is sticking right to his guns and STAYING ON TOPIC, while everyone else is harping about various studies done by scholars of all stripes in all fields. Notice how he just says that is irrelevant and continues to bring up WHAT the Book of Mormon actually says itself, and all Peterson can say is "I see no reason to read it that way."

Jared needs to ask Peterson then, how HE reads it, and lets examine whose understanding is more in line with the prophets teachings. HA! Peterson is as usual completely non committal, but apparently thinking by simply saying its not how he reads it at all that he is refuting it. He isn't. And Midgley? I mean I am so blessed in these latter days to have an internet Mormon show me what professional clowning is all about, and that, for free.

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Is Midgely serious? Peterson's blog is a patty-cake, surface only, all too frequently plagiarized bit of ephemeral nonsense. Why would anyone suppose avatars must be real? Midgley has lost his tiny little mind. Maybe he can go over to never-neverland and harass Peter Pan for not really knowing how to fly. -Lemmie-


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I dunno. Given that $10,000 is at stake, you sort of have to wonder about posts like these:

DCP wrote:
Dr. Detroit wrote:
Lou,

Out of all the countries you haven't visited, which one you like to see the most?


Don't bring the themes of your home message board over here, please.


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Dr. Detroit wrote:
Hi Lou,

I’m curious why you feel I’m not in a position to express my disapproval to your post?

It’s highly offensive, especially to women.

How do you justify your treatment and contempt of women?


drdet:

I hereby express my disapproval of YOUR post.

I've known Professor Midgley since shortly after I arrived on campus at BYU as a member of the faculty -- which means for roughly 35 years.

I knew his late wife well.

I've traveled with him. I stayed with them and I traveled with them in New Zealand.

You speak offensively, personally, wrongly, and insultingly of what you don't know.

This sort of thing is, I realize, well received elsewhere. And personally attacking Professor Midgley is, I know, very much in vogue elsewhere. It isn't well received here.

Drop it, or be dropped.


Wow! So, we've got oblique references to this message board, along with threats of banning, and defense of Midgley's misogyny. I thought the point was to *ratchet down* the hostility? Isn't that what Peterson agreed to do?

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I think the theme was theirs. Look at what Mr. M said:

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President Nelson is certainly not a fake doctor or professor. And he has certainly visited lands I will never see.


As I'd been saying. President Nelson's credibility as a prophet and seer is found in his credentials as a real doctor, and having traveled abroad even more places than Midgley has. Folks, you can't make this stuff up.

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in the comments somewhere:

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There may be atheists who get to heaven, but they are outliers.


This point was made to demonstrate her expertise in the psych literature regarding belief, as she claims to be a psychologist.

Do folks need to pass a certified loon test to support the Church in the comment section over there?

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The fact is that if that fellow had been in some congregation worshiping God, this would not have happened. Dan has provided above some evidence of what any faith has on avoiding these sorts of tragedies. Even when faith in God is not an effective restraint on the violent passions, without faith in God and immortality everything is not only an open option but is permitted and even sometimes encouraged. Something goes wrong when people understand themselves as mere lumps of meat who are mere pleasure seekers. Their own lives and those around them are often made violent, short, and really nasty....



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Nobody, I think, seriously argues that living a happy, healthy, productive life is impossible without community and religious faith. It's simply somewhat less likely.


Well, not true, because midgley argued exactly that. But midgley takes the hint and recants his “fact.” Sort of. The grammar is a little weird. Maybe someone helped:
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I must add that I fully agree with Dan that we are not arguing that a happy, healthy, productive life is impossible religious faith, or even a stable family, and a supportive community.


So Peterson clearly makes an effort to rein in Midgley, but it’s got to be exhausting. When midgley made his obnoxious remark about the role of the female in his marriage, Peterson’s support was an enraged insistence that... he KNEW midgley’s wife. He also TRAVELED with them. And therefore...

Well, that’s it. No acceptance of what midgley said, just a tacit acknowledgement that midgley is allowed to behave inappropriately on his blog in ways he would not allow others to do. He at least had the grace to not support what midgley said because it was inexcusably offensive. He did get enraged that a lesser commenter (i.e. not of his religion) noticed midgley’s bad behavior, though. ENRAGED. (Not quite enough to delete the misogyny, however.)


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This exchange is worth documenting in the context of this thread. It gives some interesting insight into the process the OP is attempting to influence:
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Here is a review of James Hannam's book that might be of interest to some:

"I have read the introduction to this book and was bemused by its tone and apparent complaisance to the rampant suppression and oppression of free thinkers by the Church during the Middle Ages and after...
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https://www.amazon.com/Gene...


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DanielPeterson Dr. OMG
3 days ago

LOL.

You certainly seem to have a great deal of free time!

I'm envious. Maybe, when I get the boot, I'll have time like you!



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"You certainly seem to have a great deal of free time!"

Thanks Dan. Coming from you this is a real compliment.

Maybe someday I'll have enough free time to even run a blog. One can always hope.
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DanielPeterson Dr. OMG
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Do you have any mode beyond snide? Anything to offer beyond attacks?

You're beginning to bore me, and that's a bad omen.
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Jordan Rudd DanielPeterson
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As an outsider, Dr. Peterson, you brought snideness to this exchange.
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Louis Midgley Jordan Rudd
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JR: Please go somewhere else.

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Jordan Rudd Louis Midgley
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Man, for all the whining you guys do about the rudeness of "the fake doctors," you sure are inhospitable, surly and rude. I've been polite and gracious since I got here. I don't know what I expected coming here, but you guys are breathtakingly immature.


I actually wasn't really planning on sticking around (you guys have been pretty disappointing tbh) but you know what Louis? I think I will now.
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DanielPeterson Jordan Rudd
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JR: "you sure are inhospitable, surly and rude. . . you guys are breathtakingly immature. . . . you guys have been pretty disappointing. . . . I think I will [stick around] now."

Oh boy.

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For crying out loud, your friend just randomly and without provocation told me to beat it, a day after I'd finished participating. Is your tribalism instinct here really that strong? Is it impossible to admit that one of "your guys" is being a boor? Aren't you guys way too old for this behavior? It's like dealing with teenage girls in here, I swear. You guys are downright hostile, I'm just calling a spade a spade.

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DanielPeterson Jordan Rudd
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JR: "It's like dealing with teenage girls in here, I swear. You guys are downright hostile."

Where are you getting this "you guys" stuff from?

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As I noted, you replied to the first substantive comment on this post with a snide insult. And then ironically accused that person of only being able to provide snide comments, despite the fact he's the only one between you two who tried to address the actual blog topic. And it wasn't even the only time you did this on this thread. Frankly, I think you enjoy the petty drama. In my two days of participation, I notice it's the only subject that consistently elicits a response from you.


Also, you can't pretend to be above it all while at the same time encouraging your worst behaved allies. We can see you liking the worst comments from Midgley and Kiwi. How on earth you aren't mortified by kiwi is beyond me.

I hope you and your hecklers are very happy together.

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You really don't know what you're talking about, JR.

Which should give you pause.

Incidentally, my blog entries here constitute my primary "response." By far. You might perhaps take notice of that fact. This is a blog, not a message board.

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If you disapprove of the message board, then disable it. Otherwise it's a feature of the blog, and it's nonsensical to whine that people are using it.

https://disqus.com/home/discussion/danp ... 4608762596


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Junior apologist Ike writes to Dr. OMG, who holds a Ph.D.: "You really seem to forget that you are, in effect, sitting in Dan's living room."

That is false. And he knows it.

Dr. OMG is first and foremost a guest of Patheos. If the proprietor is like a shop owner, then the proprietor's shop resides with Patheos' mall.

Oh, and guess who was first to upvote Ike's comment? The one person who knows better than anyone it isn't true.

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Peterson and the Midget are simply blind and tone deaf to their own behavior aren't they.....wow, I sincerely have never seen anything like this on the internet. THANKS for documenting all this you guys.

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I just don't find that believable: there have been too many corroborating accounts to think the DCP is telling the truth on this one. It may be that he's equivocating--i.e., he blows his lid and hits the "Ban" button, but then it doesn't fully work, and so he justifies it to himself by saying, "Well, it doesn't matter if I *meant* to ban them if it didn't actually wind up happening."

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Then by all means invite him to the Sty. He'll fit right in there.

He can pretend to be a scholar with the MI. And you can pretend to believe him.


Dr. Shades wrote:
Where is this "sty" of which you speak?


Daniel Peterson wrote:
It's a place that will go unmentioned here for the next six months, Shades.

Already, silence about it has earned $2000 for worthy causes, and there is a solid chance of $10,000 more.


There are definitely some questions that need to be asked here about the "spirit of the law" versus the "letter of the law." Bear in mind that, in its entire existence, "Sic et Non" has never--not once--provided a link to MormonDiscussions.com, nor have they ever even named the board, often leaving many readers in the dark. I sense that Dr. Moore's generosity is extensive, but I wonder at what point he's going to pull the plug. I wonder what it would take. Louis Midgley has been absolutely cruel and awful over there lately. I wonder why Peterson continues to allow it. Maybe he thinks $10,000 is something to sneeze at?

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Okay: I am willing to go on the record right now and say that I think we are seeing a pivotal moment in the history of Mopologetics. Recall that, for the past 30+ years, the Mopologists have maintained that they are *not* motivated by money, and that this is only something that Evangelicals and Rodney Meldrum do. And yet, here is Daniel Peterson openly urging Kiwi57 to "tone it down" so that $10,000 can go into Mormon Interpreter's coffers. What does Louis Midgley think of this?

And speaking of Louis Midgley, I'm wondering how he fits into this whole "Letter of the Law" schema.... Could it be that Peterson will have to choose between banning Midgley and the $10,000? Midgley recently described holocaust victims as "the numbers that went up the stack"....Is that acceptable, civil behavior? At minimum, you sort of have to wonder if Peterson will even *warn* Midgley...

I mean, $10,000 is on the line here...

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Without faith in God and immortality, everything is not only an open option but is permitted and even sometimes encouraged.

Dr. Midgley points to a very real phenomenon where atheists, without the restraint of religion, have been known to massacre an entire wagon train of men, women, and children in cold blood.

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