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Gad wrote:Whatever the meaning, it just sounds low and crude. Had I ever said anything like that in company of my parents growing up it would have been the last thing I said for a week -- no matter what the meaning supposedly is. And had I used that phrase in the same sentence as the name of Jesus Christ, well, that might have been good for the apologists because I might not have lived to tell the tale.

Oh, I hasten to add: Had I ever said such a thing, regardless of the alleged meaning, in a sentence along with the name of Jesus, and then after getting scolded, made up an origin story for the expression that placed me as the underdog in a David vs. Goliath scenario where I emerged triumphant over a national power, then I'd best have just got my passport stamped for the Seventh Circle of Hell and got on with it.

Amen, brother. My parents too. And grand-parents. And great-grandparents. And the 157 1st and 2nd cousins that infiltrated every place I ever acquainted in my youth. There would have been no getting away with the mopologist language I have recently learned.

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Gadianton wrote:Had I ever said anything like that in the company of my parents growing up it would have been the last thing I said for a week -- no matter what the meaning supposedly is.

What if you and your wife had been granted 2nd Indulgences and you were also in possession of the Apologetic Illearth Stone? This is not to say that you would need to be an ordained disciple of Morgoth (formally of the Ainur) or aligned with FARMs.
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Gadianton wrote:But my favorite Midgleyism from yesterday was, when he went into a tirade about anonymity, and somebody called him on it for some of the posters on Sic Et Non, including Kiwi57. His response was to say that he knew who Kiw57 was in real life so that was okay. lol. Now that's one of those revealing moments about Mopologist psychology.


Yes, and don’t forget that the Editor in Chief of Sic et Non has been going crazy with endorsements of one “Peter Pan” who is running a blog devoted to attacking the Heartlanders.
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I don't know why this continues to surprise me, maybe it's because for all the weird Mormon stuff I grew up with, this level of mean-spiritedness just did not raise its head. Midgley lives in a far different, and exceedingly nastier world:
Louis Midgley > DanielPeterson • 17 hours ago

Dan, gemli began with the dogma that there can be no evidence. This is his excuse for not being the least bit interested in what learned people and and back in the past actually believed or why they held those beliefs. A mere rotting wad of meat cannot question where the bad smell is coming from or that it is the source, to build on the metaphors he loves to employ.
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Mr. Midgley wrote:...to build on the metaphors he loves to employ

emphasis added. OMG.

Also note that in calling Gemli a rotting bag of meat, twice, both DCP and Kiwi up-voted the accusation.
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The three of them don’t realize how bad they make the church look. It’s pathetic.
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It's okay, Dan. I'm in the "unfortunate initials" club, too. I feel your pain.

-BJ

(But look how well my initials go with our little spit-or-swallow party!)
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MsJack wrote:It's okay, Dan. I'm in the "unfortunate initials" club, too. I feel your pain.

-BJ

(But look how well my initials go with our little spit-or-swallow party!)

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Lemmie wrote:Good grief. Midgley has a filthy mouth, and DCP pretends it's "intrinsically" acceptable:
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Brad Anderson, Utah > Louis Midgley • an hour ago • edited

Lois:” There are people who can't seem to spit or swallow when it comes to the Church of Jesus Christ.”

Lois, could you please clean up your language? There are many other descriptors that aren’t nearly as pornographic. Just a thought.


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DanielPeterson Mod > Brad Anderson, Utah • 30 minutes ago

There's nothing pornographic about either spitting or swallowing, BAUT.


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Brad Anderson, Utah > DanielPeterson • 19 minutes ago

DP: “There is nothing pornographic about spitting or swallowing.”

If you truly believe that then be my guest to google “spitting or swallowing.”

I’m sure nothing inappropriate will pop up. Good luck!


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DanielPeterson Mod > Brad Anderson, Utah • 15 minutes ago • edited

I'm quite well aware of what you have in mind, but there is nothing intrinsically pornographic about spitting and swallowing.

Not in my world, anyway.

I suggest that you not try too hard to make this an issue.


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Brad Anderson, Utah > DanielPeterson • 4 minutes ago

DP, I think we all know what Lois Midgley meant, and I for one think he can use more appropriate and faith promoting language.

To each his own, I guess. Enjoy the rest of your evening DP.



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MsJack wrote:It's okay, Dan. I'm in the "unfortunate initials" club, too. I feel your pain.

-BJ

(But look how well my initials go with our little spit-or-swallow party!)


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Jersey Girl wrote:
What did I just read?
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Jersey Girl wrote:Testify.

My department director likes to call people by their initials. I delicately tried to explain to him why he probably shouldn't call me "BJ," but he has a bad memory and kept on doing it for a while. I finally began responding to the appellation with, "Yes, I am b___j__" and that got him to stop.

When I was married the first time, my initials were "BM." I should have known that marriage would be crap.

Incidentally, I had no idea what unfortunate thing DP could stand for and had to Google it.

But "spit or swallow" literally has no other association.
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This series of exchanges with Louis and DP is exactly what’s wrong with Mormon apologetics.

Zero uncontested slam dunks, remember?

That applies not only to church history and doctrine. But also to the behavior of the apologists themselves.
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Gad wrote:emphasis added. OMG.

Also note that in calling Gemli a rotting bag of meat, twice, both DCP and Kiwi up-voted the accusation.


I've been responded to. Thank you for the response, in this thread:

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpeters ... qus_thread

DCP wrote:Amusingly, over at the Peterson Obsession Board, where they've made misreading into both an art form and an imperative, some of the inmates are attacking YOU for the contemptuous character of GEMLI's description of human persons.


No no, it's not fundamentally Midgley's or Gemli's description, the origin of the description is with DCP himself:

DCP wrote:I believe that this emission is an example of what naïve sentimentalists, with their tendency to anthropomorphize random products of biochemical evolution, call “thought.”

It’s not a very good one, though.

Along with others, I’ve regularly asked this particular meat-unit exactly which element of the scientific method theists are obliged to mock or reject.


DCP began to call Gemli a "meat unit" as a way to mock Gemli personally for his position of reductivism:

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpeters ... y-lad.html

However, while not very nice, probably rating on the "not nice" scale the same as a barb against Mormonism from William Lane Craig, in the hands of Midgley, the barb becomes an aluminum bat, and he "can't stop" until he's pulled away by others. Interestingly, Lou recognizes the origin of the barb (from the comment section):

Midgley wrote:My hunch is that by "experimental" what gemli has in mind is pestering rats and mice on the assumption that by doing this one can explain away the soul of human beings and hence see everyone as merely an unusual complicated It or Meat Unit, to use Professor Peterson's clever derogatory description of gemli's ideology


So, lol, omg, folks, you can't make this stuff up. I may have my new sig line, with this quote from Midgley.

Then later in the thread, Gemli, the stand-up guy he is, rolls with the punches:

Gemli wrote:Human beings are meat units. They're not magical. They think wrong thing


In the same way that early Christians went with it and called themselves "Christians" when they were scornfully referred to as "Christies". If the apologists can find a clear example -- or if Gemli wants to help them -- of Gemli referring to himself as meat wad prior to this post, then they might have a defense. The problem is, this is the first instances I believe of the trio all using the term, and using it in response to the clear introduction of the term by the blog owner.

notice how Kiwi ratchets up the insult:

Is it politeness, or is it the fact that "it" - presumably the meat unit known by the posting handle of "gemli" - hasn't read the Book of Mormon, and so is in no position to comment on its contents?


Midgley's mean-spiritedness shines through, riffing on Kiwi's next layer implication -- that a meat unit is an "it" without feelings:

I wonder if It will moan that we are mocking him, and are mean, which he never does and hence is always nice, and therefore wins some debate that he imagines he is having.


And these kinds of insults have increased. Now, Midgley is stepping back and agreeing with DCP that it was Gemli who started this, and to paraphrase " pray tell, aren't I just saying exactly what Gemli said? He said meat wad, isn't a rotting piece of meat just another way of saying that? And as I express this presently, I'm relaxed and not spun up and aggravated as in the other examples so this is okay, right? This is how you wanted us to refer to you. Ya, you just said that. Those guys over there are making stuff up out of thin air."

Not very nice, guys. Certainly, the harassing of Gemli, even if he's a good sport, goes well beyond any "not niceness" exhibited by William Lane Craig.
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MsJack wrote:It's okay, Dan. I'm in the "unfortunate initials" club, too. I feel your pain.

-BJ

If you were named Moksha Oscar Robinson your initials would be linked to good (at least in Reformed Egyptian).
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Dr. Peterson is belly-aching about this board, and Dr. Shades has been putting up a stout defense.

Midgley launches the first salvo:

Midgley wrote:This illustrates the kind of rubbish that otherwise presumably rational people who are driven by violent passions regularly post on a truly disgusting message board, where the so-called "moderator" hides what must be his miserable identity behind by calling himself "Dr. Shades." This bizarre handle illustrates what others, most often perhaps even illustrating their miserable identities under even more weird handles. I actually enjoy knowing that whoever they are constantly pawing through Dan's blog looking for something about which to opine, often in vulgar language that sometimes would cause a brute to blush.


I know that Dr. Midgley doesn't believe in "evidence," but just in case I'm wrong--let him cite the "vulgar language." Let's see him do it.

Shades responds:

??? Why bring me into this? Am I to be punished for Adam's transgressions?


The poster called "Sledge" lays into Dr. Shades:

Shut DOWN your cruel and malicious board, Shades.


So... I guess censorship is the answer? Interesting. Shades has another solution in mind:

Or, better yet, you could create an account there and correct any inaccuracies you may see.


Think that will cut it? No, it won't:

Sledge wrote:A HUGE glaring inaccuracy was just exposed here in this blog post, and what happened? They all brushed it off as "aw, we were just trolling." So, you can see why correcting inaccuracies would be an exercise in futility.

No, Shades, the trolls must be deplatformed. Shut down the board.


Dr. Shades wrote:"Shut down the board?" Umm, you don't have to read it, you know. . .


At which point Dr. Peterson, who wishes very much that he could censor this board, barges in:

Daniel Peterson wrote:I'm a victim of it.

Day in, day out. Week in, week out. Month in, month out. Year after year after year after year after year.

Slander. Defamation. Character assassination.

It never ends. It never stops.

It's shameful. It's a disgrace.

To some extent, at least, it looks very likely to be your legacy.


Rather like his and Midgley's treatment of Gemli (and Mike Quinn, and John Dehlin, and Jeremy Runnells, and Grant Palmer, and Rodney Meldrum, etc., etc., etc.) will be *their* legacy?

Dr. Shades very rightly points out to DCP:

Dr. Shades wrote:You don't have to read it, either.


Yes... Why does DCP even bother reading this board, if it is so awful? Playboy and Penthouse are supposed to be anathema to Mormon men, too; does DCP have difficulty avoiding those publications? How is it that he's got the willpower to avoid porno, but not MormonDiscussions.com? This is a question that is well worth exploring. I have heard rumors that Cassius will be granting fellowships to graduate students who are willing to provide the world with insights into this question.

Here's another question: if all of "this" is so awful, why not stop blogging? If one's job is to be a professor of Middle Eastern Studies, then why not focus on that? Why concentrate on things that are not even remotely connected to the job description? At any rate, as you might imagine, DCP erupted at Shades:

DCP wrote:Right. I just need to ignore the fact that I'm being publicly slandered and defamed on a daily basis at your cesspool, with factually untrue accusations -- of unethical acts, mean-spirited viciousness, and occasionally even borderline crimes -- being leveled against me virtually every day, certainly every week and every month, for fifteen years and counting. No let-up. No interruption. No break.

I'm supposed to let that (not to mention the completely bogus "reports" about Interpreter and the "Witnesses" film project and other such things -- go into the public record without dissent or contradiction.

Right.

How could THAT possibly hurt me?


Actually.... I don't know. Can you explain it to all of us dummies? Whatever the case may be, DCP predictably trots out something he's said many times before:

Incidentally, I'm still receiving really nasty and often foul and obscene anonymous emails from somebody who is clearly a swimmer in your cesspool. Every two to four days or so. Sometimes twice a day.


I have gone on the record as saying that, if these allegations are true, I disapprove of whoever the perpetrator happens to be. That said, it *does* seem kind of convenient that this particular complaint is surfacing at this particular time. And why *doesn't* DCP get law enforcement involved? Very strange. And it needs to be noted that, if the allegations are true, the "nasty and often foul" email harasser only attacks DCP a fraction of the times that he and Midgley slam Gemli. I think some reflection is in order.
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DP has defined a new poster as a "new hater," and Midgley immediately followed through. The inevitable outcome:
Dr. OMG > Louis Midgley • 7 hours ago

Louis, please stop the harassment and personal attacks. Thanks


Dr. OMG > Louis Midgley • 5 hours ago

Louis, please stop the personal attacks and harassement. Thanks.

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What will those guys do when no one cares about Daniel’s self-quotation blog anymore?
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This is so incredibly offensive.
Louis Midgley > Fred Kratz • 6 days ago

I was more than merely "implying" that without faith in God and immortality, then life is ultimately meaningless. Now you are free to set out the tenets of your atheist religion. And be sure to explain how mere "meat wads" can have any real meaning that goes beyond merely pleasuring themselves until they disappear forever.


So "spit and swallow" Midgley thinks that without a belief in god, he would do nothing but pleasure himself? Of course, he has also noted how as a youth, apparently sniffing around outhouses for a giant pile of ____ was a big draw. I guess it's a good thing Midgley has religion, because his natural mind is pretty filthy.

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Mr. Midgley wrote:I was more than merely "implying" that without faith in God and immortality, then life is ultimately meaningless. Now you are free to set out the tenets of your atheist religion. And be sure to explain how mere "meat wads" can have any real meaning that goes beyond merely pleasuring themselves until they disappear forever.


DCP already explained this to Fred Kratz. Fred asked what more could he want than the good things in life he's experienced, and DCP responded, to continue experiencing those things in the next life (presumably indefinitely).

In other words, DCP is telling Fred that a meaningful life is only found in pleasuring ones self, but on the condition any time constraints removed.
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