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 Post subject: Mormons and Incest
PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 8:07 pm 
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Saw something interesting in a Mormon history group recently. Questions about whether there was much incest or teachings regarding incest were asked and immediately deleted by administrators. Surely this would be a reasonable question when men were marrying sisters, mothers and daughters and who knows what odd combos of polyandry took place.

Do Mormons have an incest problem? :confused:

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 9:16 pm 
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Maksutov wrote:
Do Mormons have an incest problem? :confused:

This has been a problem among the polygamists we know as the FN Mormons.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 9:32 pm 
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In my cousin's ward, back in the day, there were allegations of the bishop molesting his daughters. I knew the daughters and I believe the one who was married to my cousin when she said she was molested. Unfortunately, the bishop had connections to some apostles and it was handled internally. No criminal charges were levied against the bishop and he died with his membership in force. The daughter and my cousin left the church and made a good life for themselves. F the church and their secretive nonsense.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 11:55 pm 
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Maksutov wrote:
Do Mormons have an incest problem? :confused:

Yes.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:28 am 
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The Five Browns comes to mind.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 1:39 pm 
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It all started with Horny Holy Joe and has continued ever since. After all, Mormon doctrine teaches that 'em thar feedmales are nut'un but commodities to be used any way you'unz wants.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 2:27 pm 
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Do we have any evidence that the rate of incest is higher among Mormons (excluding fundamentalist sects)than among the general population?

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 6:40 pm 
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A TBM woman was caught on 2 separate occasions molesting 2 of her grandchildren. Her excuse? “Pioneer women would do it to sooth others’ babies.” She lied about it and never faced any church discipline or legal action.

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Last fall, around the time when President Nelson issued the decree of an internet fast, a past case was brought up again, involving him. Was the 1985 charge against Brenda Nelson a “cover up”? https://fox13now.com/2018/10/03/lawsuit ... president/

Miles charges were mysteriously dismissed despite Bill Cartensen admitting to being one of the perpetrator along with Brenda Miles (Nelson’s daughter), who was “mostly the cheerleeder and took the videos” during the sexual abuse “parties.” (p. 15 & 20)

http://www.restoreourhumanity.org/files/ABlipHere.pdf

There are other cases where the church has either not reported to authorities when they should have or even actively covered up. Nobody wants to think that the church could steep so low as to be involved with child sexual abuse - but some have witnessed to it. If it’s true, such leaders are/will be in hell.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 19, 2019 2:33 am 
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Amore wrote:
A TBM woman was caught on 2 separate occasions molesting 2 of her grandchildren. Her excuse? “Pioneer women would do it to sooth others’ babies.” She lied about it and never faced any church discipline or legal action.

Also...

Last fall, around the time when President Nelson issued the decree of an internet fast, a past case was brought up again, involving him. Was the 1985 charge against Brenda Nelson a “cover up”? https://fox13now.com/2018/10/03/lawsuit ... president/

Miles charges were mysteriously dismissed despite Bill Cartensen admitting to being one of the perpetrator along with Brenda Miles (Nelson’s daughter), who was “mostly the cheerleeder and took the videos” during the sexual abuse “parties.” (p. 15 & 20)

http://www.restoreourhumanity.org/files/ABlipHere.pdf

There are other cases where the church has either not reported to authorities when they should have or even actively covered up. Nobody wants to think that the church could steep so low as to be involved with child sexual abuse - but some have witnessed to it. If it’s true, such leaders are/will be in hell.

The Church is seeking to give untrained and unvetted adult males the right to be alone with 8 to 11 year olds to ask them personal questions of a sexually intrusive nature. The Church IS involved in facilitating grooming and child sexual abuse.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 25, 2019 1:59 pm 
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Brigham Young taught that the time would come when brothers would marry sisters in the church... (Oct. 8, 1854 discourse) it was also taught by Lorenzo Snow.. Catherine Lewis, who was being pursued by Heber C. Kimball as a potential plural wife claimed that she heard Helen Kimball say that she was duped into her "marriage" to Joseph Smith because she was told it was going to be forthe afterlife... and that after he died she would not be sealed to her FATHER or any of the Twelve... There were also men being sealed to men and all kinds of other weird things going on. So did that become a problem in Utah... dunno, perhaps...

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 25, 2019 4:16 pm 
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Amore wrote:
A TBM woman was caught on 2 separate occasions molesting 2 of her grandchildren. Her excuse? “Pioneer women would do it to sooth others’ babies.” She lied about it and never faced any church discipline or legal action.

Also...

Last fall, around the time when President Nelson issued the decree of an internet fast, a past case was brought up again, involving him. Was the 1985 charge against Brenda Nelson a “cover up”? https://fox13now.com/2018/10/03/lawsuit ... president/

Miles charges were mysteriously dismissed despite Bill Cartensen admitting to being one of the perpetrator along with Brenda Miles (Nelson’s daughter), who was “mostly the cheerleeder and took the videos” during the sexual abuse “parties.” (p. 15 & 20)

http://www.restoreourhumanity.org/files/ABlipHere.pdf

There are other cases where the church has either not reported to authorities when they should have or even actively covered up. Nobody wants to think that the church could steep so low as to be involved with child sexual abuse - but some have witnessed to it. If it’s true, such leaders are/will be in hell.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 28, 2019 4:50 pm 
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Holy Ghost wrote:
Your faith is strong. You have faith that God is someone who can do the right thing.

Thanks. I’m working on it. :wink: But who/what is God? Which of the 800+ definitions of God in the bible, or many more in other religions, do you refer to regarding God?


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 28, 2019 4:56 pm 
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I have a question wrote:
Amore wrote:
A TBM woman was caught on 2 separate occasions molesting 2 of her grandchildren. Her excuse? “Pioneer women would do it to sooth others’ babies.” She lied about it and never faced any church discipline or legal action.

Also...

Last fall, around the time when President Nelson issued the decree of an internet fast, a past case was brought up again, involving him. Was the 1985 charge against Brenda Nelson a “cover up”? https://fox13now.com/2018/10/03/lawsuit ... president/

Miles charges were mysteriously dismissed despite Bill Cartensen admitting to being one of the perpetrator along with Brenda Miles (Nelson’s daughter), who was “mostly the cheerleeder and took the videos” during the sexual abuse “parties.” (p. 15 & 20)

http://www.restoreourhumanity.org/files/ABlipHere.pdf

There are other cases where the church has either not reported to authorities when they should have or even actively covered up. Nobody wants to think that the church could steep so low as to be involved with child sexual abuse - but some have witnessed to it. If it’s true, such leaders are/will be in hell.

The Church is seeking to give untrained and unvetted adult males the right to be alone with 8 to 11 year olds to ask them personal questions of a sexually intrusive nature. The Church IS involved in facilitating grooming and child sexual abuse.

I agree that it’s inappropriate for an adult to be alone like that with a child. Yet, I imagine most bishops don’t have malicious intent. They’re just blindly going along with what they’re told to do - even when it’s unethical &/or inappropriate. (That is dangerous in itself, though - but that applies to many herd mentalities.)

It makes me wonder if at some point - like when the 2-deep leader rule in boy-scouts & also 2 men in teaching kids - if they saw the inconsistency with youth bishopric interviews. Assuming that at least 1 of them must have realized, it makes them look like they think - and demand others think - that higher leaders are above such rules. Another dangerous mentality.


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