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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2019 5:46 am 
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Nelson disabused the notion that all people will be with their loved ones after death. Resurrection assures that all will live forever, but “much more” is required for the privilege of exaltation with family, he said.

“The spirit in each of us naturally yearns for family love to last forever,” Nelson said. “Love songs perpetuate a false hope that love is all you need if you want to be together forever.”

However, “While salvation is an individual matter,” he said, “exaltation is a family matter.”

For a family to be exalted forever, Nelson reminded members that they must qualify for it by making covenants with God, keeping those covenants, and receiving essential church ordinances.

Nelson said he weeps for friends and relatives who — despite their generous gifts of time, energy and resources in this life — have ignored Christ’s pleadings to “Come, follow me.”

“They need to understand that while there is a place for these hereafter — with wonderful men and women who also chose not to make covenants with God — that is not the place where families will be reunited and given the privilege to live and progress forever,” he said.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2019 6:24 am 
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Such silly gobbledeegoop "doctrine."

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2019 6:30 am 
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The evangelicals were right all along. Mormons really do believe you have to WORK to get to heaven. Salvation by grace and love is NOT part of Mormon Jesus's plan. It's all about WORK and obeying the leaders and doing what they tell you to do so you can keep the covenants they require.

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Love songs perpetuate a false hope that love is all you need if you want to be together forever


Did the son of a ____ just slam the Beatles? Good grief.

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Nelsatan wrote:
salvation is an individual matter, exaltation is a family matter


What about the ugly ducklings that nobody would merry? Does Joseph Smith get them?

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despite their generous gifts of time, energy and resources in this life — have ignored Christ’s pleadings to “Come, follow me.”


It's his way or the highway. No amount of work or grace is good enough unless you submit yourselves to the cult and obey the leaders. It's Mormon Jesus way or no way. Period.

You can forget it, Nelsatan! Drop dead.

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there is a place for these hereafter


Where they can live with Doctor Scratch in eternity as a TK smoothie.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2019 6:45 am 
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Such silly gobbledeegoop "doctrine."

I know, right? I'm so far out of this but I have a family reunion coming up and a couple of my siblings are stressing over dealing with the Mormon family members and crazy stuff like this. It's horrible how Mormon policy can cause such pain and division in families.


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Grading on the curve I don't see this as any worse in intent than saying those unsaved will suffer hellfire for eternity. It is a little worse in the sense that one can only get the ticket from a Church that charges 10% of your income only to spend that money on cattle ranches and real estate.

The suggestion of course, in nonsensical. It doesn't actually mean anything. What is a family? what does it mean to be together? You will never be given a clear definition or explanation. Nobody at Interpreter or Sic et Non can explain it either. If a family commits suicide together on Monday night for family home evening, they will end up together in the Telestial Kingdom and be there together forever with all the time in the universe to play chutes and ladders. If family members in lower kingdoms are separated from each other by say, a barricade between districts, that has yet to be revealed. Although, I await speculation on the matter in the comment section at Sic et Non.

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I agree with the Dean. This is nothing more or less than manipulative rhetoric to scare people into line. It has no real substance. The negative impact it has is real and unfortunate.


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Grading on the curve I don't see this as any worse in intent than saying those unsaved will suffer hellfire for eternity. It is a little worse in the sense that one can only get the ticket from a Church that charges 10% of your income only to spend that money on cattle ranches and real estate.

The suggestion of course, in nonsensical. It doesn't actually mean anything. What is a family? what does it mean to be together? You will never be given a clear definition or explanation. Nobody at Interpreter or Sic et Non can explain it either. If a family commits suicide together on Monday night for family home evening, they will end up together in the Telestial Kingdom and be there together forever with all the time in the universe to play chutes and ladders. If family members in lower kingdoms are separated from each other by say, a barricade between districts, that has yet to be revealed. Although, I await speculation on the matter in the comment section at Sic et Non.


Take the Nibleys as an example. Hugh Nibley presumably did everything he needed in order to enter the CK, no? But then think about his hardcore apostate daughter, Martha Nibley Beck. In such a case as that, what happens? Does Nibley's "God"-status allow him to basically "change" Martha so that, in heaven, she's no longer apostate or angry with him, and they can all now be a "forever family"?

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2019 9:41 am 
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The march toward cojcolds' death continues. One need only look to the latest pronouncements from the chief magician. Like he really knows what's beyond. For all we know, he is the one who will be punished for the lies he tells. However, if one says nonsense with enough confidence, there are always dupes who believe it.

Just think about what Nonsense Nelson wants his dupes to believe: Joseph Smith spoke to God through a rock. The countless contradictions that plagued Joseph Smith's work don't matter. One must believe in the Book of Mormon even though there is no evidence for it. One must believe that God couldn't forgive his children without a blood sacrifice. God couldn't foresee the problems the 2015 policy would cause. And on and on .....

Who wants to be in a universe where reward depends on believing in fraud?

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2019 10:03 am 
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Philo Sofee wrote:
Such silly gobbledeegoop "doctrine."

This is the doctrine, yes. As far as trying to reach solid and/or complete answers to the ramifications of this doctrine...that's going to be pretty hard to do in the here and now. Impossible, in fact. But it's interesting to consider and think about. As for me, I'd just as well live according the tenets and teachings of the church knowing that it will all come out in the wash and that God will make everything right.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2019 10:08 am 
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Philo Sofee wrote:
Such silly gobbledeegoop "doctrine."

This is the doctrine, yes. As far as trying to reach solid and/or complete answers to the ramifications of this doctrine...that's going to be pretty hard to do in the here and now. Impossible, in fact. But it's interesting to consider and think about. As for me, I'd just as well live according the tenets and teachings of the church knowing that it will all come out in the wash and that God will make everything right.

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Given all the religious frauds out there and the utter lack of any proof Pres. Nelson has regarding the afterlife, isn't the better wager to not believe in his nonsense and just live the best you can based on actual evidence and actual proof and not wishful thinking?

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Nelsatan wrote:
Love songs perpetuate a false hope that love is all you need if you want to be together forever


Did the son of a ____ just slam the Beatles? Good grief.

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In fairness, that was one of the Beatles' worst songs.


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Grading on the curve I don't see this as any worse in intent than saying those unsaved will suffer hellfire for eternity. It is a little worse in the sense that one can only get the ticket from a Church that charges 10% of your income only to spend that money on cattle ranches and real estate.

The suggestion of course, in nonsensical. It doesn't actually mean anything. What is a family? what does it mean to be together? You will never be given a clear definition or explanation. Nobody at Interpreter or Sic et Non can explain it either. If a family commits suicide together on Monday night for family home evening, they will end up together in the Telestial Kingdom and be there together forever with all the time in the universe to play chutes and ladders. If family members in lower kingdoms are separated from each other by say, a barricade between districts, that has yet to be revealed. Although, I await speculation on the matter in the comment section at Sic et Non.

I agree, although I will say that in attending mass with my catholic husband and learning his religion's catechism, I've never heard such a threat leveled against those who have passed. The worst I ever got was a nun who threatened to tell my cousin-in-law priest that I couldn't get married in a catholic church if I missed her class.

(I suppose I should explain that last part. I was taking her catechism class in order to be baptized catholic, shortly after which I would be marrying in a catholic ceremony. I politely told her one time I needed to be a few minutes late to one of her classes because it was the only time we could get an appointment to audition a band for our wedding reception. I thought it would be okay, as I had never been late or missed any of the 14 twice-weekly classes so far. She took offense at my apparent choice of worldly concerns over my spiritual learning. I missed the band audition, the nun was appeased, and our wedding and reception went off without a hitch. The band was spectacular.)


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Thank Google GOD!!! Now I won't be tied to those people in my family (Morgbots) that I detest.

Thank you Mormon man god, his son Mormon Bastard jebus and Rusty the tin man. Thanks for clarifying that just because Jebus died upon the sticks for the resurrection, I don't get family relations in Mormon man god heaven even IF we are all in the same place. GREAT NEWS!

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2019 11:40 am 
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The thing that bothered me most was the very importance of repentance in the process. The very process that they do not follow when amending the recent policy change. No apologies..no recognition of wrong doing. In all his words, I applied it to the presidency and the 12...in this, they will never see a loved one again.


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Mormonicious wrote:
Thank Google GOD!!! Now I won't be tied to those people in my family (Morgbots) that I detest.

Thank you Mormon man god, his son Mormon Bastard jebus and Rusty the tin man. Thanks for clarifying that just because Jebus died upon the sticks for the resurrection, I don't get family relations in Mormon man god heaven even IF we are all in the same place. GREAT NEWS!


I don't want to live with judgmental family members either! Screw them. Mormon Man-god can kick their sorry asses up into the celestial kingdom while we all party and have a good time down below. But I'm going to outer darkness because I utterly refuse to bow my knees to Bastard Jesus. I refuse to abide the covenant of the telestial kingdom. Jesus isn't my king. The best parties and the most fun happen in outer darkness.

So, anyone else going to outer darkness too?

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The thing that bothered me most was the very importance of repentance in the process. The very process that they do not follow when amending the recent policy change. No apologies..no recognition of wrong doing. In all his words, I applied it to the presidency and the 12...in this, they will never see a loved one again.


I have a feeling that the day of judgment and Karma is coming for the 15 apostles. They are about to meet a new destiny wherein they are going to be exposed for the fakes they are. Google God will continue to sound the trump and the ranks of the apostate will continue to swell as the church itself is cracking to pieces.

Come Let Us Rejoice!

Mormonism is falling.

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