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Which LDS leader has disappointed you the most
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He wants you, candybaby!
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Re: Which LDS leader has disappointed you the most
I don't feel disappointed with any of them. I expect them to have foibles just like the rest of us. If they seem to have more of them that too is okay. Things tend to average out in the end. Someone will come along who will be kinder and more inspired.
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Re: Which LDS leader has disappointed you the most
Each one of them that knows the accurate history, or intentionally puts his head in the sand, and yet continues to promote the misleading LDS version.
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Paul Dunn. Then, those over him who knew he was lying and let it go on.
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Re: Which LDS leader has disappointed you the most
I assumed the OP was referring to living church leaders.Fence Sitter wrote:Seriously? How can the answer be anything other than Joseph Smith? No other prophet claimed to be having face to face talks with God while simultaneously swindling people out of their wives, wealth and even their lives in some cases.
Though Young did try.
Re: Which LDS leader has disappointed you the most
Oaks and Holland.
Blatant corruption, dishonesty and lying.
Blatant corruption, dishonesty and lying.
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Re: Which LDS leader has disappointed you the most
Oaks and Holland.
Blatant corruption, dishonesty and lying.
Blatant corruption, dishonesty and lying.
"Jesus gave us the gospel, but Satan invented church. It takes serious evil to formalize faith into something tedious and then pile guilt on anyone who doesn’t participate enthusiastically." - Robert Kirby
Beer makes you feel the way you ought to feel without beer. -- Henry Lawson
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Re: Which LDS leader has disappointed you the most
mcjathan wrote:I assumed the OP was referring to living church leaders.Fence Sitter wrote:Seriously? How can the answer be anything other than Joseph Smith? No other prophet claimed to be having face to face talks with God while simultaneously swindling people out of their wives, wealth and even their lives in some cases.
Though Young did try.
Me too.
Elsewise I move my vote to Jesus. Who has let 2000 years pass without showing up to clean up the mess religion in his name has created, well organized religion in general has created, and if he is truly omnipotent, he needs to reign in these religious twinks.
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Re: Which LDS leader has disappointed you the most
There are a number of candidates.
For instance, President Nelson when he was the head of the Q12 knowingly signed up to the Church running two campaigns for Satan ("I'm A Mormon" and "Meet The Mormons"). A man with integrity would have stepped down knowing he couldn't support such initiatives. Can it get more disappointing than leading the Church in a way that does Satan's bidding?
For instance, President Nelson when he was the head of the Q12 knowingly signed up to the Church running two campaigns for Satan ("I'm A Mormon" and "Meet The Mormons"). A man with integrity would have stepped down knowing he couldn't support such initiatives. Can it get more disappointing than leading the Church in a way that does Satan's bidding?
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