In the UK the Church is required to file full financial accounts.
http://beta.charitycommission.gov.uk/ch ... 51&subid=0
As part of that filing are a number of reports. One thing that jumps out from one of the appendices reports is:
Total UK Membership as at December 2017 - 186,839
Total in units - 131,455
Total Address Unknown - 55,384
Incredible.
In another report, on the London Temple specifically, it shows numbers indicating that only 15% of the total membership are adult recommend holders.
Wow.
Humanitarian Aid Fund
At the start of 2017 - £2.5 million
2017 Donations - £550,000
2017 Expenditure - £36,000
At the end of 2017 - £3.0 million sat in the fund.
The Church in the UK made a half a million pound gain on Humanitarian Aid in 2017 - to add to the £2.5 million already sat in the bank.
30% of UK Members are "address unknown"
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30% of UK Members are "address unknown"
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I have a question wrote:Humanitarian Aid Fund
At the start of 2017 - £2.5 million
2017 Donations - £550,000
2017 Expenditure - £36,000
At the end of 2017 - £3.0 million sat in the fund.
The Church in the UK made a half a million pound gain on Humanitarian Aid in 2017 - to add to the £2.5 million already sat in the bank.
When the church crashes in the UK or experiences some kind of disaster these funds can be used to help the members out. Money for the Rainy-day saints.
After all, they prayed, payed, and obeyed.
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Do you think the folks who work in the offices trying to track down members missing sit around humming or singing the Elvis song RETURN TO SENDER?
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Re: 30% of UK Members are "address unknown"
I wonder how many of those 55,000 are no longer alive. I wonder how many of them remain on the rolls because they haven't reached 110 years old.
Another issue to consider is this. Let's say the UK has 20% activity rate. Is that 20% of the 186,000? or 20% of the 131,000? Is activity rate compiled by ward/unit? So if a given ward has 20% activity, and there happens to be some amount of the 55,000 unknowns living in the ward and are not counted, wouldn't that mean the activity rate when compiled does not include the 55,000?
Another issue to consider is this. Let's say the UK has 20% activity rate. Is that 20% of the 186,000? or 20% of the 131,000? Is activity rate compiled by ward/unit? So if a given ward has 20% activity, and there happens to be some amount of the 55,000 unknowns living in the ward and are not counted, wouldn't that mean the activity rate when compiled does not include the 55,000?
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I think the 15% temple recommend holder number seems high. I would guess the activity rate isn't much above that.
Here are the numbers from the end of 2017:
Wards: 282
Branches: 45
Members: 186,852
If we split up the membership such that the size of a branch is 2/3 the size of a ward:
Members per Branch: 399
Members per Ward: 599
If 15% of members have temple recommends:
Members with temple recommends per ward: 90
Members with temple recommends per branch: 60
That seems high to me, but maybe someone familiar with the UK could tell us if those number seem right.
Here are the numbers from the end of 2017:
Wards: 282
Branches: 45
Members: 186,852
If we split up the membership such that the size of a branch is 2/3 the size of a ward:
Members per Branch: 399
Members per Ward: 599
If 15% of members have temple recommends:
Members with temple recommends per ward: 90
Members with temple recommends per branch: 60
That seems high to me, but maybe someone familiar with the UK could tell us if those number seem right.
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oliblish wrote:I think the 15% temple recommend holder number seems high. I would guess the activity rate isn't much above that.
Here are the numbers from the end of 2017:
Wards: 282
Branches: 45
Members: 186,852
If we split up the membership such that the size of a branch is 2/3 the size of a ward:
Members per Branch: 399
Members per Ward: 599
If 15% of members have temple recommends:
Members with temple recommends per ward: 90
Members with temple recommends per branch: 60
That seems high to me, but maybe someone familiar with the UK could tell us if those number seem right.
If memory serves me, adult temple recommend holders across Europe represented just below 10% of the total claimed membership back in 2013. I'm recalling those numbers from the European Area Presidency report that was leaked some time ago. That report also had the average sacrament meeting attendance at 100,000 out of a claimed membership of 500,000.
Let me clarify the numbers in the OP after re-reading the reports.
The numbers from the 2017 financial report are for the congregations serviced by the London Temple only.
24 Stakes
163 congregations
2,594 12 - 18 year olds
54,907 adult members
14,462 endowed members
8,659 adult recommend holders - which equals 15.7% of the adult membership number.
So that's 53 adult recommend holders per congregation.
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I have a question wrote:15.7% of the adult membership number.
So that's 53 adult recommend holders per congregation.
That makes sense.
Re: 30% of UK Members are "address unknown"
I know years ago, I had the COB calling for addresses of my brother..or my son, daughter...often I just hung up. They don't need to know where my family is...I inform family and they just say...what the hell??
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Re: 30% of UK Members are "address unknown"
by the way, there are some European wards whose Sunday attendance is considerably increased by LDS tourists. Paris, London, and Edinburgh have very sizable percentages of visitors, for example.