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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 6:48 pm 
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At some point, somebody kindly posted the text of Dr. Peterson's FAIRMormon Conference talk. Here are some choice excerpts:

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all right, I’m told that it’s always good procedure to start with a joke if you’re giving a speech. I looked through the notes that I threw together. I’ve been traveling a huge amount and even missed the first day of this conference and part of the second day and so I just don’t have many jokes. So I thought of offering myself as the joke. And so these are some things that I’ve taken, actually my wife found them; she was delighted to find them on the web. These are some of the ones that are kinder from critics.


And yes, he goes on to post actual joke DCP memes that he's harvested off the Internet.

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Now, there are people who are watching this conference. I’ve been watching their reactions already online. For example it’s said that yesterday during one speech there was an eruption of hatred from the audience towards all critics of the Church, and someone said that’s not the only time it’s happened here. They remembered a time a few years ago in a FairMormon Conference where I cited the name of a critic or someone who is not altogether happy with things here and the audience immediately broke out with cries of “Get him!” because he was apparently here; and so, also arriving with the books will be pitch forks and torches for the activity we’ve planned after this. We’re going to go get some of those critics because apparently, this is the equivalent of a Nazi rally to some of the critics because we’re all seething with hatred and wanting to go out and get those bad guys, namely people who don’t agree with us. So I just can’t wait to see what’s said about what I have to say now.


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The reason to do apologetics, the reason to try to advocate the gospel, is so that there will not be more suffering upon the earth; so that people will have the peace and knowledge and understanding that come with an understanding of gospel principles and the plan of salvation—the comfort that can come.


I can hardly believe that he said this with a straight face. There "will not be more suffering upon the earth"? Really?

Check out his dismissiveness in this passage:

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I was in Iran once, for a conference, whereby hangs a tale in and of itself. It’s a very interesting place to be as an American—with “Death to America” painted on all the buildings and that sort of thing, you feel so welcome. I was there with a friend who is now Catholic but was a former Baha’i. The Baha’ís have been persecuted in Iran as being sort of apostate Muslims or something.


Right: "or something." (I guess this is the consequence of not actually *writing* a talk, and instead just winging it and hoping the transcription comes out okay.)

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I don’t know if you’ve ever had experiences—I’ve had a few—where you think, “I should have intervened,” but I didn’t. You feel guilty for years afterwards. “ I should have said something, I didn’t say something.” This is a case where I didn’t know what to do.

We were driving, my family and I, down to California many years ago and we stopped off in St. George for a little bit of a break and thought we’d take the kids in and maybe see a film at the Visitor’s Center or something and give them a little gospel instruction on the way down. And we walked in and sure enough, we watched the movie there in the Visitor’s Center near the St. George Temple.

There was a German couple who were listening to somebody at the counter in the Visitor’s Center and he was speaking to them about Noah’s Ark and the dimensions of Noah’s Ark. When we saw this movie and it was probably, I don’t know, about 10 or 15 minutes long and we came out and he was still haranguing him on Noah’s Ark and how many cubits it was and all that sort of thing. And you could see from their faces—“how do we get out of here? We don’t want to offend this nice old fellow but this is excruciatingly boring,” and I was thinking to myself, “I served a German-speaking mission and could go over”, but I didn’t do it. I thought maybe I could save them. I didn’t do it and for all I know they’re there still. But I thought, “What are they going to take with them from this experience.” We stopped in, we just wanted to learn what this building is and who are the Mormons and now we know everything we never wanted to know about the dimensions of Noah’s Ark. Maybe he moved on to Leviticus and the dimensions of the tabernacle. There are years of work to be done there. I’m pretty sure that’s not what they were there to talk about. [?] I don’t think they ever said a word. They just kept shifting on their feet wondering how to get away and that sort of thing. Anyway, you need to listen to people, you need to be sensitive to them, listen to where they’re coming from. And it’s partially also related to listening to the Spirit. Sometimes the Spirit should tell you, “Shut up. You’ve gone on long enough.” You want to speak in the language they know and that’s not German or French or Chinese or something like that.


If only DCP's fellow LDS weren't so crass and stupid!

Here he is taking Elder Packer's old advice about funerals to heart:

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Another thing, can we provide hope? I’ve had experiences–many of you have–with losing loved ones, sometimes unexpectedly, sometimes very painfully, and at moments like that, the gospel offers very real hope. If we find out that people need that kind of hope—I don’t want us to be ghoulish, or vulturish, or that sort of thing. We can sometimes speak to them at those times and offer the comfort that we know the gospel can offer. Christ brings peace, and if we can share that with people they will listen.


Here's a fascinating and rather frank admission:

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Maybe you’ve had the experience, I certainly have, of occasionally saying something when the Spirit was kind of telling me, “No, don’t do this” and it just is a disaster. I’ve seen people on Facebook try to share a sacred experience and I think, “No, don’t do this.” There are people out here who will “…turn again and rend you” and it won’t help. So, there are times when you just pass by. “Whosoever shall not receive you,” the Lord says in Matthew 10:14, “nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.” Just leave. It’s not the right time, the right place. Maybe later on, you don’t know. Avoid the spirit of contention. When it starts getting bad, you know it’s the wrong time. And yet I’ve seen people online especially just keep going because at a certain point the ego kicks in, I’m not going to be defeated by this person. I happen to think that it may be testosterone in a lot of cases—almost never women. They just keep at it and at it and at it and you think that the chance of actually having an impact on this person was lost three hours ago and this has just turned ugly. There’s no point. And there are a lot of people in this world that you could be talking to but not this one, not right now.


Perhaps this next bit explains why he keeps picking fights with Gemli:

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I had an experience in Switzerland that was meaningful to me. Early on in my mission there, I went with a companion (I think it was my first week in the mission field) and we hadn’t gotten in any doors and finally we got in one and the fellow brought us in. He just wanted to argue. He just argued and pushed back at every point. But I was thinking that at least we’re in an apartment and we’re talking to somebody. My companion stood up and said, “Thank you very much it’s been great talking with you. We’re going to move on now.” We got outside, and I said, “But Elder so and so, why are we leaving? At least we were talking with him.” Then he said, “Look, there are hundreds of thousands of people in this particular canton of Switzerland who haven’t heard the gospel. We don’t have time for this kind of thing. We have to keep moving.” That was a powerful lesson for me. So when it grows contentious, move along. Little if anything will be gained by sticking around and fighting. Be responsive to the Spirit, to promptings.


I can't stop laughing about this one:

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Also, another principle to keep in mind is that you don’t need to die on every hill. Some principles are really important and some are not. If somebody doesn’t like Mormon hymns, fine. It’s not that important. If they don’t like Mormon architecture (“Your chapels are stupid-looking”), fine. It’s not worth arguing about. There are certain issues that are really important and again spend the time where the time is best spent. There are limited numbers of us and millions, billions of people we haven’t reached. Don’t waste time. Be sensitive, move on.


(Our discussion on LDS temples and Stalinist art, by the way, took place after Dr. P. delivered this talk....)

As for this, D'oh!:

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So, you may think, “I can’t do this, I have nothing to contribute.” You can and you do. So, I encourage you to volunteer and if we’re slow on the uptake, volunteer again. Because we’re volunteers ourselves with lots on our plates and things fall between the cracks. I’ve had people unfortunately who’ve written to me saying, “Gee, I’d like to offer my services” and I’ve lost the emails. I feel guilty about that.


More strange revelations about the editorial processes at Mormon Interpreter:

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And so you can help out in this cause in so many ways: missionary fund, all those sorts of things, but also by volunteering, by donating to these organizations, by writing, If you feel like writing, for one of our groups, for Interpreter for example. I don’t control the peer review process. They once rejected the man that I home taught. That was a really uncomfortable home teaching visit. He’d just gotten the news that day. The first line when I walked in was “Why did you reject my article?” (which I had encouraged him to submit, by the way). It was very embarrassing.


In the Q & A portion of the talk, he's asked about the criticism he gets:

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Q5: How can you handle all the criticism you receive? Don’t you get discouraged at times?

A5: You have to be really thick skinned. I admit sometimes it astonishes me. It really does astonish me how obsessive some people are. I’ve become sort of a lightning rod. I don’t know why but I get it. Charming personality… that’s it. Usually I don’t get discouraged, because I think, “Why didn’t I study abnormal psychology? Some of this is just distinctly weird.” This malevolent stalker that I talk about, I don’t know who he is, I don’t think we’ve ever met. He’s never given any indication that we know each other or had a personal interaction. He’s been at it for 15 years. Fifteen years! I mean every week, most days, I get obscene emails, I suspect from him, most weeks, sometimes three and four. I just don’t get it. It’s been going on for a long time. Anyway, distinctly weird.


So, simultaneously a rambling yet very candid talk from him. Lots of bizarre material here, that's for sure.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 7:23 pm 
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Q5: How can you handle all the criticism you receive? Don’t you get discouraged at times?


I hope Dr. Peterson can follow Melania's advice to Be Best. It's hard to be cyberbullied.

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A few comments.

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Now, there are people who are watching this conference. I’ve been watching their reactions already online. For example it’s said that yesterday during one speech there was an eruption of hatred from the audience towards all critics of the Church, and someone said that’s not the only time it’s happened here. They remembered a time a few years ago in a FairMormon Conference where I cited the name of a critic or someone who is not altogether happy with things here and the audience immediately broke out with cries of “Get him!” because he was apparently here; and so, also arriving with the books will be pitch forks and torches for the activity we’ve planned after this. We’re going to go get some of those critics because apparently, this is the equivalent of a Nazi rally to some of the critics because we’re all seething with hatred and wanting to go out and get those bad guys, namely people who don’t agree with us. So I just can’t wait to see what’s said about what I have to say now.

I guess this passage is, in part, an allusion to Kishkumen's post of August 2.

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I may have mentioned this once before but I met a couple in Australia who were there as religious refugees.

Yes, you've mentioned this previously.

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I was in Iran once, for a conference, whereby hangs a tale in and of itself.

Yes, you've told this story as well.

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I’ve told this story before, I think, but my father was not a member of the Church as I was growing up.

Yes, you've told this story before.

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There’s also the question of what I call triage.

Yes, you've addressed that question.

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Maybe you’ve had the experience, I certainly have, of occasionally saying something when the Spirit was kind of telling me, “No, don’t do this” and it just is a disaster.

You've used the "pearls before swine" analogy.

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I had an experience in Switzerland that was meaningful to me.

Yes, you've related that experience.

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Years ago, my friend Louis Midgley, who, I was very pleased, was honored today, alluded me to an anecdote that the eminent Protestant historian, Martin Marty once used to make a point about Mormonism.

Yes, you've mentioned that “anecdote.”

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You’re familiar with the passage from 1 Corinthians 12 [verse 17] on this, I’ll quote the NIV version just for freshness

Yes, you quoted it several years ago.

I’ll quote Ecclesiastes 1:9-10 (NRSV version, for freshness):

9 What has been is what will be,
and what has been done is what will be done;
there is nothing new under the sun.
10 Is there a thing of which it is said,
“See, this is new”?
It has already been,
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My god, Tom. That was glorious.

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This has been a most enjoyable thread.

DCP truly has become a parody of himself. He’s not even trying anymore.

DCP’s cut and paste “scholarship” is embarrassing. He is creating quite a legacy for himself.

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Dr. Peterson:
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I was just hearing the other day about one atheist grad student at Stanford—maybe he’s on the faculty at Stanford, but I don’t know—who said, “I’m not a Mormon, I’m not even a theist but,” he said, “ the witnesses are the one thing that keep me awake at night.”

An atheist grad student/faculty member at Stanford who is kept awake with thoughts about the Book of Mormon witnesses?

His name?


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How does this even get funding?

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How does this even get funding?


A fool and his money are soon parted.


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An atheist grad student/faculty member at Stanford who is kept awake with thoughts about the Book of Mormon witnesses?


Did he also see Bigfoot? That's the kind of story this is, if not an outright lie that's getting recycled uncritically by the desperate.

You have my word, Tom, that such a person does not exist and if he does, then we're missing a big piece of the puzzle like, maybe the person is an ex-Mormon? It doesn't say never-mo.

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An atheist grad student/faculty member at Stanford who is kept awake with thoughts about the Book of Mormon witnesses?


Did he also see Bigfoot? That's the kind of story this is, if not an outright lie that's getting recycled uncritically by the desperate.

You have my word, Tom, that such a person does not exist and if he does, then we're missing a big piece of the puzzle like, maybe the person is an ex-Mormon? It doesn't say never-mo.


And who cares, anyway? Am I supposed to take this seriously because some Stanford person said it? Nothing any of the witnesses has to say makes me the least bit concerned about anything. Their testimony amounts to an expression of their own personal experience and nothing more. It has no value for authenticating ancient plates recording the history of Israelites in America in antiquity.


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DCP ought to be ashamed of himself. The talk is truly an unapologetically rambling, incoherent mess, and as Tom has shown, it's been cobbled together from bits and pieces of his past talks. It's the conference version of a "clip show" episode of a TV program: what producers throw together because they have to fill up air time, but they have nothing original to say. And at the end of the day, there were people who paid actual money to be there at the conference, and this was the keynote address. Busyness, to my mind, isn't an acceptable excuse: turn down the speaking engagement if you don't have the time or energy to do a good job.

Over on "Sic et Non," Dr. Peterson is blaming this in part on the transcription:

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There’s nothing like a transcript of a rambling and semi-coherent oral presentation to ensure that you’re aware of how inarticulate you are. And there are several problems specific to this particular transcription. (I’ve just skimmed through it.) But I won’t complain; I’m grateful for the unpaid volunteers who devote hours and hours to transcribing these speeches.


Right. Meanwhile, on a different thread, he says the following (with no detectable irony):

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Furthermore, the fact that the average professor works at the University of Southern North Dakota at Hoople rather than at Harvard doesn't even begin to demonstrate that such average professors are impervious to the gratifying temptations of smug superiority. Tensions between "town and gown" are proverbial and go back to at least medieval times, and a low-rank academic is still entirely capable, should he or she be inclined to do so, of looking down on the insurance salesmen, housewives, auto mechanics, receptionists, and small businessmen who live in surrounding Podunk.


What better way to condescend to a bunch of paying rubes than showing up unprepared and giving a keynote talk that's pure, recycled trash? He owes them all an apology.

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Don't journalists get fired, or at least reprimanded, for recycling articles?

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I mean every week, most days, I get obscene emails, I suspect from him, most weeks, sometimes three and four.

Well, that's not good. I hope it is no one from this board sending such emails. Don't know if they are of the silly potty mouth variety (like those posts during the first few months of this board from a couple of ladies of the old FAIR board) or ones representing the worst of the Penthouse Letters.

It is a shame he gets harassment of that sort when criticism should be limited strictly to message boards and internal memos from the Maxwell.

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" the fact that the average professor works at the University of Southern North Dakota at Hoople rather than at Harvard doesn't even begin to demonstrate that such average professors"

Wow -- let's uncover another truth using this insight. ...the average professor with a testimony on Mormon Scholars Testifiy works at the University of Southern North Dakota at Hoople rather than at Harvard...

Would he helpfully list the schools on Mormon Scholars Testify that are too average to have bragging rights?

Note that there are no Harvard professors on MST.

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The word apologetics, I’ve said this before here, is just the old Greek word for defense or an answer. In fact, in that verse, 1 Peter 3:15, “Be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you…” The word that’s translated as answer is “apologia.” It’s just: give an apology, not meaning “I’m sorry”. That’s a later meaning of the word. That’s not what it originally meant. I’ve mentioned here before that you have Plato’s apology — the apology of Socrates. Any of you who’ve read that know that Socrates does not apologize. He’s defiant. They are going to put him to death and he says, “Fine, do it; but I’m not backing down from what I’ve been doing.” It’s not about saying “I’m sorry”; it’s defending what you’ve been doing, which he does, quite unrepentantly and defiantly. So, defense, answers, giving answers, giving reasons.

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I mean every week, most days, I get obscene emails, I suspect from him, most weeks, sometimes three and four.

Well, that's not good. I hope it is no one from this board sending such emails. Don't know if they are of the silly potty mouth variety (like those posts during the first few months of this board from a couple of ladies of the old FAIR board) or ones representing the worst of the Penthouse Letters.

It is a shame he gets harassment of that sort when criticism should be limited strictly to message boards and internal memos from the Maxwell.


Moksha, much like the Second Watson Letter, these "obscene letters" just don't exist. I highly suspect DCP is making all of this up to drum up sympathy. Unfortunately for DCP and his legacy, there are literally hundreds of well-documented examples of his blatant dishonesty. These fake "obscene emails" are just one more example.

Keep in mind, DCP pulls out this gem about receiving "obscene emails" every few months. If DCP is truly receiving any obscene emails they are probably advertisments for boner bills, AshleyMadison.com or links to the Victoria Secret catalogue.

It's also interesting to see how this fake "obscene email" story keeps evolving. Just last year, DCP publicly posted that he receives 1 or 2 "obscene emails" per month. Now DCP has changed his story to receiving these emails "almost daily."

Very similar to the First Vision.

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I mean every week, most days, I get obscene emails, I suspect from him, most weeks, sometimes three and four.


Well, that's not good. I hope it is no one from this board sending such emails. Don't know if they are of the silly potty mouth variety (like those posts during the first few months of this board from a couple of ladies of the old FAIR board) or ones representing the worst of the Penthouse Letters.

It is a shame he gets harassment of that sort when criticism should be limited strictly to message boards and internal memos from the Maxwell.


I don’t condone that kind of nastiness. Disagree, sure. But sending harassing emails? That’s crossing the line.


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Well, that's not good. I hope it is no one from this board sending such emails. Don't know if they are of the silly potty mouth variety (like those posts during the first few months of this board from a couple of ladies of the old FAIR board) or ones representing the worst of the Penthouse Letters.

It is a shame he gets harassment of that sort when criticism should be limited strictly to message boards and internal memos from the Maxwell.


Moksha, much like the Second Watson Letter, these "obscene letters" just don't exist. I highly suspect DCP is making all of this up to drum up sympathy. Unfortunately for DCP and his legacy, there are literally hundreds of well-documented examples of his blatant dishonesty. These fake "obscene emails" are just one more example.

Keep in mind, DCP pulls out this gem about receiving "obscene emails" every few months. If DCP is truly receiving any obscene emails they are probably advertisments for boner bills, AshleyMadison.com or links to the Victoria Secret catalogue.

It's also interesting to see how this fake "obscene email" story keeps evolving. Just last year, DCP publicly posted that he receives 1 or 2 "obscene emails" per month. Now DCP has changed his story to receiving these emails "almost daily."

Very similar to the First Vision.


I don't know that I've seen any corroborating evidence that would help prove the existence of these "emails." If he gets them that frequently, he could easily do a blog post where he lists the 40 or 50 that he's gotten over the past couple of months. (He could also post the email address(es) of the person(s) sending them. He's got enough tech-savvy friends who could help him sleuth this thing out.)

And for the record: I have exchanged emails with Dr. Peterson exactly twice, clear back in circa 2005. He emailed me himself, actually, after I was banned from the old FAIRboard on account of a false accusation he made against me, and I was complaining here on MormonDiscussions.com about it. So he was the one who initiated that conversation.

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... the apology of Socrates. Any of you who’ve read that know that Socrates does not apologize. He’s defiant. They are going to put him to death and he says, “Fine, do it; but I’m not backing down from what I’ve been doing.”


Boy, the irony of him using Socrates' defense of his own philosophy is, well, it can't be undersold. I wonder if he laid out what Socrates actually said?

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 Post subject: Re: Dr. Peterson's FAIR Conference Talk
PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2018 8:42 pm 
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Well, the emails are real folks. Now I have seen examples of them with my own two eyes.

I dearly hope that no one on this board is doing this. Filling the man’s inbox with childish, vulgar, and insulting emails? No. Get a life. Leave the man alone.

If it is someone here, cut it out. Seriously.


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2018 8:49 pm 
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Kishkumen wrote:
Well, the emails are real folks. Now I have seen examples of them with my own two eyes.


I admit this quite surprises me.

I agree that it's reprehensible.


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