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 Post subject: The WofW is a revelation from God after all
PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2018 12:45 pm 
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CNN reports "Even one drink a day could be shortening your life expectancy" from a research study published in a peer-reviewed general medical journal. https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/13/health/t ... index.html. Thanks to the LDS church I am very unlikely to ever become a drinker. Alcohol is costing some people thousands of dollars every year and drunk driving is responsible for many traffic accidents.

Wood, Angela M., et al. "Risk thresholds for alcohol consumption: combined analysis of individual-participant data for 599 912 current drinkers in 83 prospective studies." The Lancet 391.10129 (2018): 1513-1523.


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PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2018 1:24 pm 
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Scientists discovered alcohol is bad. How could Joseph Smith have known? It's a miracle!!! LOL. Of course, there are also plenty of studies showing moderate alcohol consumption has health benefits. And it seems the health benefits of coffee and tea far outweigh any risks. The good news for TBMs is there are plenty of scientific studies they can cherry pick to demonize alcohol, coffee, and tea in order to justify their decision to be obedient to church leaders in all things, including how they should fuel and nourish their own bodies.

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PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2018 2:19 pm 
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What about refined sugar?

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PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2018 3:12 pm 
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If God really was going to reveal a code of health to Joseph Smith so the Saints could walk and not be weary and run and not be faint, I imagine God would have told Joseph to wash his hands before eating and to boil water before drinking.

Just think of the hundreds of millions of lives that could have been saved if God would have told Joseph those two things. Instead we are commanded to avoid hot drinks and to use tobacco as a poultice for livestock?

Thanks God. Great health advice.

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PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2018 3:53 pm 
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
What about refined sugar?

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The evil apostate, secular, cynical person would say that sugar and refined carbs weren't a health issue in the 1830s, because it wasn't as readily available, and people consumed real whole foods for the vast majority of their calories. Therefore, Joseph Smith couldn't imagine it would become a huge health problem generations in the future, and he probably didn't give a crap anyway.

The TBM in me would argue that the WoW is God's health code. It was dictated by God to Joseph Smith, and therefore any scientific evidence that contradicts it is simply wrong. And I can dig up plenty of scientific studies (funded by Coca-Cola, Hershey, and Kelloggs) that show sugar is healthy. In fact, the healthy benefits of sugar are probably why hot chocolate is exempt from the ban on hot drinks.

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PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2018 5:44 pm 
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My fav is god not telling the people in nauvoo to boil their water. That seems to have been a big miss on god's part because of the colera epidemic that ensued shortly thereafter, killing many. Prohibiting coffee, tea and alcohol is questionable but a health code should absolutely have safe drinking water information, probably at the top of the list.

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PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2018 5:46 pm 
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Exiled wrote:
My fav is god not telling the people in nauvoo to boil their water. That seems to have been a big miss on god's part because of the colera epidemic that ensued shortly thereafter, killing many. Prohibiting coffee, tea and alcohol is questionable but a health code should absolutely have safe drinking water information, probably at the top of the list.

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PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2018 8:05 pm 
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Everybody Wang Chung wrote:
If God really was going to reveal a code of health to Joseph Smith so the Saints could walk and not be weary and run and not be faint, I imagine God would have told Joseph to wash his hands before eating and to boil water before drinking.


Excellent point!


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PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2018 5:49 am 
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Everybody Wang Chung wrote:
Just think of the hundreds of millions of lives that could have been saved if God would have told Joseph those two things. Instead, we are commanded to avoid hot drinks and to use tobacco as a poultice for livestock?

Even now the Church does not suggest that member get their kids immunized.

Joseph hit the nail on the head regarding Postum being an excellent barley drink. Otherwise, it could be used by Coors Brewery who would then filter their product through asbestos.

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PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2018 11:15 am 
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PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2018 1:54 pm 
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The headline suggests something a bit more catastrophic than the actual findings state.

Compared to drinking under 100 grams of alcohol per week, drinking 100 to 200 grams was estimated to shorten the life span of a 40-year-old by six months. Drinking 200 to 350 grams per week was estimated to reduce life span by one to two years and drinking more than 350 grams per week by four to five years.

A standard drink in the US has approximate 14 grams of alcohol, so a person who has a beer or glass of wine with their evening meal would technically be at 98 grams or just at the threshold. Not exactly a finding that refutes the idea that drinking in moderation is not the life and soul-destroying thing Mormonism makes it out to be.

This brings something up about what I have come to despise about the Church and it's influence on people both in it and caught in it's gravity. I was recently talking with an acquaintance who lives in Utah who is a TBM. He was telling me about their oldest who is a couple of years past mission age and had drifted away from the Church for a few years. He described him as having experimented with the alternative to living a good life like the Church teaches and realized he was unhappy and without direction. So he is now working on being able to go on a mission and expects to be able to sometime soon. It got to something that I hate about Utah. That because the Church exerts so much gravity on people, so many who try to push off away from it still define their lives outside of Mormonism by the only thing they know and their upbringing has given them. So the experimentation that often accompanies youth with sex, substances, and seeking freedom plays into the Mormon narrative because those things can't substitute for personal identity or self-worth.

No one can't drink, smoke or screw their way into becoming a self-actualized human being. But to the person who only knows Mormonism, the result is they are left feeling empty. And this leaves them thinking that Mormonism was right about that so they let the gravity of the Church suck them back in and look there for self-actualization. But the Church doesn't give self-actualization. Instead it teaches self-immolation and giving up one's self for a place in a community. Thus they find themselves living a life of tension between feeling highs when their self-sacrifice brings recognition and rewards and lows when they feel lost among the herd.

But at no point are they presented with other options or tools than those approved within the Mormon worldview and narrative.

Mormonism sucks.

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PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2018 1:57 pm 
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honorentheos wrote:
The headline suggests something a bit more catastrophic than the actual findings state.

Compared to drinking under 100 grams of alcohol per week, drinking 100 to 200 grams was estimated to shorten the life span of a 40-year-old by six months. Drinking 200 to 350 grams per week was estimated to reduce life span by one to two years and drinking more than 350 grams per week by four to five years.

A standard drink in the US has approximate 14 grams of alcohol, so a person who has a beer or glass of wine with their evening meal would technically be at 98 grams or just at the threshold. Not exactly a finding that refutes the idea that drinking in moderation is not the life and soul-destroying thing Mormonism makes it out to be.


Very good! Thanks for reading the study itself.


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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2018 3:37 pm 
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Compared to drinking under 100 grams of alcohol per week, drinking 100 to 200 grams was estimated to shorten the life span of a 40-year-old by six months. Drinking 200 to 350 grams per week was estimated to reduce life span by one to two years and drinking more than 350 grams per week by four to five years.


It is also worth keeping in mind that these are the months and years at the end of your life, and people generally have other reasons for not particularly enjoying those months and years anyway.


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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2018 4:30 pm 
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This discussion misses important points. First the WOW was never a commandment until BY without even claiming a revelation suddenly announced it as such in1857.Secondly it never says anything about alcohol. Joseph routinely drank both wine and beer .He sent Stephen Markham to buy wine the day he was killed .Markham brought it back and gave it to the prisoners who drank it to "enliven their spirits" .Joseph's journal for June 1 1844 includes an entry about dropping by the local tavern for a beer. Interestingly the History of the Church edits out this entry but the JSP shows what was originally written. BY owned multiple breweries ,The WOW specifically encourages " mild Barley drinks" ie beer. It was only in 1921 that Heber J Grant ( whose step father was an alcoholic ) decided to use his new found power as President to ,without even claiming any revelation ,to ban alcohol a term never appearing in the WOW.


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