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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2018 8:35 am 
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the Mckenna lawsuit is settled.

Otherwise the church would be acknowledging something happened.

Another sign the church protects itself financially over anything else.

I guess you can buy anything with money, in this case it is silence on the part of the church.

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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2018 11:42 am 
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I seriously doubt he will ever be excommunicated until he acknowledges that he did in fact do what he is being alleged to have done...despite the overwhelming creditability of Ms. Dennison, she carries none with the church.

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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2018 2:13 pm 
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My guess is..he will die. A card holding Temple recommend holder holding the holy priesthood.


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Will they excommunicate him at all? If he's had his second anointing, he's off scot-free.


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I think they'll quickly move to ex him as soon as they case gets resolved in some way. I don't' know what that'll take though, from the Church's perspective.
I wouldn't doubt if his local leaders are ready to do it but are told to hold out until it's all over as Fence Sitter suggested.


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My hypothesis is that the reason he hasn't been excommunicated already is because he's had his second anointing.

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My hypothesis is that the reason he hasn't been excommunicated already is because he's had his second anointing.

I would assume that George Lee and Richard R Lyman had their second anointing. Both still were excommunicated.

I do not think giving someone the second anointing would stop the church from excommunicating them, especially a high level someone in the church, especially in a high profile case.

I know that does not make any sense given what the second anointing is, but the church is concerned more about public opinion than consistency. And they can make up or change any rules they want given they claim to talk to God.

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My money is on ex-communication after resolution of the case, unless he dies first.

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I don't think the church will excommunicate the old man. I think they will disfellowship him and put him on a prescribed track of repentance leading to full restitution. I think the church will use this as a teaching tool to demonstrate the proper procedures of confession and repentance.

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That he hasn’t already been excommunicated tells you:
A. Church discipline is not a local matter.
B. Money trumps morality.

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I have a question wrote:
That he hasn’t already been excommunicated tells you:
A. Church discipline is not a local matter.
B. Money trumps morality.


He can't be excommunicated until he is judged guilty in a church court. Court procedures are subject to the time restraints of those overseeing the process. Indeed, it's a process not an event.

Give it time.

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According to someone on reddit (so it must be true!), Bishop has already resigned, so to negate the need for the church to excommunicate him.

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Grudunza wrote:
According to someone on reddit (so it must be true!), Bishop has already resigned, so to negate the need for the church to excommunicate him.


If that's true, that's a bomb.

Wow.

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Maybe they will just give the poor man a blessing.


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Fence Sitter wrote:
Analytics wrote:
My hypothesis is that the reason he hasn't been excommunicated already is because he's had his second anointing.

I would assume that George Lee and Richard R Lyman had their second anointing. Both still were excommunicated.

I do not think giving someone the second anointing would stop the church from excommunicating them, especially a high level someone in the church, especially in a high profile case.

I know that does not make any sense given what the second anointing is, but the church is concerned more about public opinion than consistency. And they can make up or change any rules they want given they claim to talk to God.

Good point. The last I heard Tom Phillips was never excommunicated, and I assumed it was because of his 2nd anointing, which made me think there was a rule about that. But the Lee and Lyman cases are great counterexamples.

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Oh and Hamula also was exed. He was a Seventy.

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Fence Sitter wrote:
Oh and Hamula also was exed. He was a Seventy.


And we still don’t know why...

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Grudunza wrote:
According to someone on reddit (so it must be true!), Bishop has already resigned, so to negate the need for the church to excommunicate him.

Just read this too over on MD&D (that he was allowed to just resign). How convenient :rolleyes:

And yet, they'll ex any gay member who enters into a SSM.


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Grudunza wrote:
According to someone on reddit (so it must be true!), Bishop has already resigned, so to negate the need for the church to excommunicate him.

Just read this too over on MD&D (that he was allowed to just resign). How convenient :rolleyes:

And yet, they'll ex any gay member who enters into a SSM.


It is my understanding that according to the handbook he should still be excommunicated. We will see if that happens, but I still predict it will not happen until after any legal actions are finished, or nearly so.

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It is my understanding that according to the handbook he should still be excommunicated. We will see if that happens, but I still predict it will not happen until after any legal actions are finished, or nearly so.


Absolutely not. If he resigns they can't excommunicate him.

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And yet, they'll ex any gay member who enters into a SSM.


That's because we gays are the worst enemies to the church because we represent freedom from slavery.

Everyone should be able to freely masturbate (in private) without the clergy hassling people about whether they do it and then guilting them. Once the cult loses the ability to control a boy's crotch -- game over.

That is why the church is so afraid of the gay movement. It's all about masturbation. It's always been about masturbation. Masturbation is the worst enemy to the church. It will take the church down.

:lol:

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