Lies, Damn Lies and Statistics (RFM)

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_consiglieri
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Re: Lies, Damn Lies and Statistics (RFM)

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moksha wrote:. I wish we members had some way to halt this practice of deception.

You are right!

Lying for the Lord is worse than other types of lying because you are lying for a Being who is on record as not really being down with liars.

A way to halt this practice of deception?

I think the only way is to continuously call church leaders out when they do it.

That's where Radio Free Mormon comes in!

:cool:
You prove yourself of the devil and anti-mormon every word you utter, because only the devil perverts facts to make their case.--ldsfaqs (6-24-13)
_Shulem
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Re: Lies, Damn Lies and Statistics (RFM)

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consiglieri wrote:
That's where Radio Free Mormon comes in!


:cool:


And your future excommunication.

:biggrin:
_Stem
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Re: Lies, Damn Lies and Statistics (RFM)

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consiglieri wrote:
moksha wrote:. I wish we members had some way to halt this practice of deception.

You are right!

Lying for the Lord is worse than other types of lying because you are lying for a Being who is on record as not really being down with liars.

A way to halt this practice of deception?

I think the only way is to continuously call church leaders out when they do it.

That's where Radio Free Mormon comes in!

:cool:


Concerning the lies you mention, the lying for the Lord is worse because it's treating people as if they don't count at all. The rant that someone caught from Holland (and I think you're right to link this to Jeremy, something that didn't occur to me) seems to expose the disrespect he feels for members generally.
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Re: Lies, Damn Lies and Statistics (RFM)

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Hey consig, have you seen this?

"All Church unit statistical information has been removed at the request of the Church Legal Department. "

https://ldschurchtemples.org/statistics/units/
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Re: Lies, Damn Lies and Statistics (RFM)

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Meadowchik wrote:Hey consig, have you seen this?

"All Church unit statistical information has been removed at the request of the Church Legal Department. "

https://ldschurchtemples.org/statistics/units/


Wow, just wow. I get the impression the wagon train is circling and getting ready for an all out war before it finally gets its saintly ass thoroughly kicked. The legal department is effectively running the church and Nelson is the chief acting puppet.

It sounds like a great purge is coming.
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Re: Lies, Damn Lies and Statistics (RFM)

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This church statistics blog used to be open and readable to all. Now it is restricted. It listed wards and branches that were created or discontinued around the world. There was another site for US branches and wards.

http://ldsunitgrowth.blogspot.com/

Here is what I see when I try to go to the site:

This blog is open to invited readers only
http://ldsunitgrowth.blogspot.com/
It doesn't look like you have been invited to read this blog. If you think this is a mistake, you might want to contact the blog author and request an invitation.


Here is what was there until recently:

https://web.archive.org/web/20180313182800/http://ldsunitgrowth.blogspot.com/

It looks like the church doesn't want anyone displaying which units have shut down around the world.
_Stem
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Re: Lies, Damn Lies and Statistics (RFM)

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It'll be interesting to see them put a stop to stats piece by piece, if that's their intention. First stop announcing and conference. next, stop members and others from posting some information. Soon it'll probably all be locked and hidden. I honestly can't imagine stopping it completely, but they only allow a very high level view of the numbers at this point anyway.
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Re: Lies, Damn Lies and Statistics (RFM)

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consiglieri wrote:
I was really happy I had an episode where I could finally use that audio clip of him from Dallas and then again from Tempe.

Especially the one from Tempe.

That is audio that simply cannot be played enough!


He sounds angry and unhinged. Kind of scary too.
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Re: Lies, Damn Lies and Statistics (RFM)

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I think it was Sister Zina Macbeth who penned the legal directive from Kirton McConkie in concise terms, "Out, damn statistics! Out!"
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Re: Lies, Damn Lies and Statistics (RFM)

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Consig, just finished this yesterday. Thanks for another great topic and presentation! You really rounded out that circle with the Daniel prophecy.
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