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 Post subject: Re: DCP's ongoing problem with plagiarism
PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:52 pm 
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Let us pray:

Dear Lord, please bless Dr. Peterson with self-awareness, with an attribution heart. Dear Lord, DCP is ensnared in the gall of plagiaristic bitterness. He simply cannot help himself oh Lord of hosts. For some reason, he fears his own dark wisdom and must steal the thoughts of other, more pure hearts. May thy mercy shower him with honesty and humility. May he realize that proper attribution of sources and clever whiticisms attached thereto is a thing that the public and the brethren might enjoy and thereby give our brother DCP the proper acclaim he so desperately desires. May he realize he doesn't have to copy clever whitty sources and try to make them his own no longer. Further, oh Lord, may thou bless our brother Dr. Midgely with the insight and wisdom of the ancients in his last days. May he be kind and forgo the ad hominem. For he is advanced in age and cannot handle any righteous pushback that thou mightiest command.

We thank thee that we are not like our troubled brethren but wish them the mercy thou hast shown to countless servants throughout the milenia.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 28, 2019 8:39 am 
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Lemmie wrote:
The original authors continue:
J & I wrote:
A month later Dickens published an account of his visit to the Mormon emigrant ship. He pointed out that these were primarily working-class people, including craftsmen in many trades. Though he remained skeptical about what the Mormons would find when they reached Utah, Dickens was impressed by their thoroughgoing organization, their calmness, and their quiet self-respect:

And after several sentences on Cannon, from Peterson,
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A month or so after his visit to the Amazon, Dickens published an account of it in an essay for the periodical All the Year Round (4 July 1863), titled “The Uncommercial Traveller.”  In his essay, he remarked that virtually all of the emigrating Latter-day Saints were tradesmen and craftsmen and their families, people of the working class.  He was worried about what these British converts to Mormonism might encounter when they actually arrived in Utah.  (He was surely familiar with the horror stories going around England at the time – which would continue for the next several generations — about the theocratic “Mormon kingdom” in the remote North American west.)  But he was deeply impressed by what he had actually seen.  The emigration was thoroughly well-organized, calm, orderly.

Dr. Peterson doesn't accurately paraphrase Jensen and Irving and, more importantly, Dickens in this passage. Dr. Peterson turns Jensen and Irving's "these were primarily working-class people, including craftsmen in many trades" into "virtually all of the emigrating Latter-day Saints were tradesmen and craftsmen and their families, people of the working class."

Here is what Dickens wrote:
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The faces of some of the Welsh people, among whom there were many old persons, were certainly the least intelligent. Some of these emigrants would have bungled sorely, but for the directing hand that was always ready. The intelligence here was unquestionably of a low order, and the heads were of a poor type. Generally the case was the reverse. There were many worn faces bearing traces of patient poverty and hard work, and there was great steadiness of purpose and much undemonstrative self-respect among this class. A few young men were going singly. Several girls were going, two or three together. These latter I found it very difficult to refer back, in my mind, to their relinquished homes and pursuits. Perhaps they were more like country milliners, and pupil teachers rather tawdily dressed, than any other classes of young women. I noticed, among many little ornaments worn, more than one photograph-brooch of the Princess of Wales, and also of the late Prince Consort. Some single women of from thirty to forty, whom one might suppose to be embroiderers, or straw-bonnet-makers, were obviously going out in quest of husbands, as finer ladies go to India. That they had any distinct notions of a plurality of husbands or wives, I do not believe. To suppose the family groups of whom the majority of emigrants were composed, polygamically possessed, would be to suppose an absurdity, manifest to any one who saw the fathers and mothers.

I should say (I had no means of ascertaining the fact) that most familiar kinds of handicraft trades were represented here. Farm-labourers, shepherds, and the like, had their full share of representation, but I doubt if they preponderated.

(Incidentally, Dr. Peterson's post gives the wrong publication date for A Christmas Carol.)


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 Post subject: Re: DCP's ongoing problem with plagiarism
PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2019 3:55 pm 
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Peterson, plagiarizing from Wikipedia:
DCP wrote:
The Hebgen Lake earthquake (also known as the Yellowstone earthquake) occurred at 11:37 PM, local time, on 17 August 1959. Measuring 7.2 on the Moment magnitude scale — which ranks it roughly on par with the 1906 San Francisco earthquake as one of the most powerful quakes ever recorded in North America, behind the 1964 Good Friday earthquake in Alaska, which came in at a stunning 9.2 — the Hebgen Lake event caused a huge landslide whose effects remain clearly visible today, almost exactly sixty years later.

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpeters ... ntana.html
no credit to wikipedia, of course, even though Wikipedia footnotes and documents sources, but there is an additional problem in DCP's next paragraph:
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Fifty million cubic yards (38 million cubic metres) of rock, mud, and debris swept down into the narrow valley of the Madison River at approximately 100 miles per hour, creating hurricane-force winds of roughly the same speed. Those winds were strong enough, in their own right, to toss cars.

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpeters ... ntana.html


The above from DCP is from Wikipedia, also:
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The landslides caused by the quake carried 50 million cubic yards (38 million cubic metres) of rock, mud and debris down into the valley and created hurricane-force winds strong enough to toss cars...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1959_Hebg ... earthquake


But here's the problem. The Wikipedia sentence is based on a wiki section right above it, which reads:
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The landslide caused by this quake was the largest since an earthquake in Wyoming in 1925 caused a landslide amounting to 50 million cubic yards (38 million cubic metres) of rock and debris ....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1959_Hebg ... earthquake


You'll notice the grammar seems to imply a different landslide caused the 50 million cubic yards of rock and debris, and you would be correct. Here's the 1925 landslide:
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In 1925, more than 38 million cubic meters (50 million cubic yards) of waterlogged soil was dislodged from a mountainside, crossed the Gros Ventre River, and moved 90 meters (300 feet) up the other side of the valley...

http://geology.teacherfriendlyguide.org ... dslides-nc

And here is the correct info about Earthquake Lake and the 1959 landslide, from the US Forest Service:
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Earthquake Lake Visitor Center

It was near midnight on August 17th, 1959 when an earthquake near the Madison River triggered a massive landslide.  The slide moved at 100 mph and in less than 1 minute, over 80 million tons of rock crashed into the narrow canyon, blocking the Madison River and forming Earthquake Lake.  This earth- changing event, known as the Hebgen Lake Earthquake, measured 7.5 on the Richter scale.   At the time it was the second largest earthquake to occur in the lower 48 states in the 20th century. Twenty-eight people lost their lives in the event.
https://www.fs.usda.gov/wps/portal/fsin ... rdb5127785


Lesson? If you plagiarize from Wikipedia, their mistakes become your mistakes. Even Wikipedia gives references.

Of course, the main lesson remains the same. Plagiarizing is dishonest, repeated plagiarizing is dishonest and immoral, and breaks BYU's honor code. Faculty are not exempt.


Last edited by Lemmie on Mon Jul 22, 2019 7:13 am, edited 1 time in total.

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 Post subject: Re: DCP's ongoing problem with plagiarism
PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2019 5:39 pm 
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Fascinating!

Of course, when one spends upwards of 3 hours a day blogging and commenting (instead of more important work) one might be tempted to pad the relevance of these activities by giving off the appearance of being a polymath. One might be tempted, in an effort to sustain that charade, to cut a few corners by filling in facts and minutae gleaned from an open source repository such as Wikipedia.

Ironically, nearly every article at Wikipedia was authored anonymously!

So not only does DCP now support the anonymous bloggers at NNL, he also seems to tacitly support the thousands of anonymous posters at Wikipedia.

Louis should be irate!

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 Post subject: Re: DCP's ongoing problem with plagiarism
PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 3:37 am 
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Lemmie wrote:
Lesson? If you plagiarize from Wikipedia, their mistakes become your mistakes.

Can you prove that the Lord did not give Dr. Peterson special dispensation to quote Wikipedia as liberally as he wishes?

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 Post subject: Re: DCP's ongoing problem with plagiarism
PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 3:43 am 
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moksha wrote:
Lemmie wrote:
Lesson? If you plagiarize from Wikipedia, their mistakes become your mistakes.

Can you prove that the Lord did not give Dr. Peterson special dispensation to quote Wikipedia as liberally as he wishes?

Did you see any quotation marks?


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 Post subject: Re: DCP's ongoing problem with plagiarism
PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 4:32 am 
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Incidentally, I would feel deeply ungrateful if I didn’t publicly thank the small cadre of obsessive critics who spend so much of their lives seeking to find errors in blog entries that I post. I know that they read my blog with meticulous care, compiling lists of my turns of phrase, checking my facts, amassing estimates of the time I spend on blogging, performing basic quantitative analysis on their estimates, and so forth.

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpeters ... place.html


You'll notice that buried in the list is "checking my facts," the new loan-shifted DP euphemism for "plagiarism." Also known as dragging BYU's Honor Code through the mud by a current BYU faculty member.

The entry in question corrects the Wikipedia error Peterson plagiarized, and now contains this P.S.:
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P. S. The information above is publicly available and comes from online sources and from displays in the Earthquake Lake Visitors Center. I do not claim to have drawn it from my own seismological researches and archival study. I simply visited the site, found the event interesting, and thought that I would share something about it with readers who may not have been to the place within the past few hours.

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpeters ... ntana.html



Regarding Peterson's misconception that "publicly available" and "comes from online sources" somehow means "I can use it without quotation marks and without saying who wrote it":
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Villanova University General Counsel -- "Plagiarism vs. Public Domain"

...Proper attribution should still be given to authors of public domain works even though public domain works may be used without permission. It is important to note that the mere appearance of a work on a website does not necessarily indicate that the work is in the public domain or that permission has been granted to use the work other than for individual use.

https://www1.villanova.edu/villanova/ge ... arism.html


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 5:55 am 
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a commenter from SeN wrote:
There is no way DP copied this from Wikipedia's page. The wording is totally different.
https://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpeters ... ntana.html
:rolleyes:

The wiki article from which Peterson plagiarized, using "totally [NON]- different" wording, is titled 1959 Hebgen Lake earthquake. It has 15 different references on the title page, with footnotes used copiously throughout to give credit for the information.

Here are the parts DP directly plagiarized, with their wiki counterparts posted first:
wiki wrote:
The 1959 Hebgen Lake earthquake[3] (also known as the 1959 Yellowstone earthquake[3]) occurred on August 17[3] at 11:37 pm (MST)[4] in southwestern Montana, United States. The earthquake measured 7.2 on the Moment magnitude scale[1], ....
DP wrote:
The Hebgen Lake earthquake (also known as the Yellowstone earthquake) occurred  at 11:37 PM, local time, on 17 August 1959.  Measuring 7.2 on the Moment magnitude scale


wiki wrote:
the 1959 earthquake is comparable to the 1906 San Francisco earthquake as one of the strongest earthquakes in North America,[5] behind the 1964 magnitude 9.2 Good Friday earthquake in Alaska.
DP wrote:
— which ranks it roughly on par with the 1906 San Francisco earthquake as one of the most powerful quakes ever recorded in North America, behind the 1964 Good Friday earthquake in Alaska, which came in at a stunning 9.2 —

This part contains the error originally posted, re the 50 million, which he has now corrected to 80million:
wiki wrote:
The landslides caused by the quake carried 50 million cubic yards (38 million cubic metres) of rock, mud and debris down into the valley and created hurricane-force winds strong enough to toss cars.
DP wrote:
Fifty million cubic yards (38 million cubic metres) of rock, mud, and debris swept down into the narrow valley of the Madison River at approximately 100 miles per hour, creating hurricane-force winds of roughly the same speed.  Those winds were strong enough, in their own right, to toss cars.


wiki wrote:
The landslide blocked the flow of the Madison River, [7] resulting in the creation of Quake Lake
DP wrote:
 The slide blocked the flow of the Madison River, resulting in the creation of Earthquake Lake.


"wiki wrote:
US$11 million (equivalent to $94.54 million in 2018) in damage was caused.[7]
DP wrote:
The Hebgen Lake temblor caused eleven million dollars in damage (equivalent, in current values, to nearly 100 million dollars, which is remarkable for an area so remote and sparsely populated).


Facts are one thing, but the language, the concepts such as the comparison to equivalent dollars, tossing cars, other earthquakes, etc. and especially THE ERROR are concepts this wiki article footnoted and provided references for (including the error, although the error is not repeated on other wiki pages about the event).


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 6:00 am 
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And one last thing.
DanPeterson, after being caught plagiarizing from wiki, wrote:
P. S. The information above is publicly available and comes from online sources and from displays in the Earthquake Lake Visitors Center.


From the Earthquake Visitors Center site:
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Privacy Policy

This website is provided as a public service by the USDA Forest Service. Information presented on this website is considered public information and may be distributed or copied unless otherwise indicated.

Use of appropriate byline/photo/image credit is requested.


https://www.fs.fed.us/privacy.shtml

:rolleyes: I'm sure Peterson will add the appropriate byline soon, although a lot of the information in the wiki article, including the error, are NOT on the visitors center site, so he might have to do another re-write, if he wants to still argue his information came from there.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 9:17 am 
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What it must feel like to lie with impunity, and have some sycophant show up and give his testimony that he KNOWS you're not lying. No wonder Mr. Peterson has gotten away with plagiarizing his material since at LEAST the 1990's. He knows there are no consequences for doing so.

Amazing.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 9:42 am 
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Another edit. New part added by DP is bolded:
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P. S.  The information above is pretty generic and publicly available and comes from online sources and from having just looked at displays in the Earthquake Lake Visitors Center.  

:rolleyes:

What a coincidence that one can just look at displays, and manage to replicate an online Wikipedia entry, complete with the EXACT Wikipedia error that is NOT repeated in the Visitors Center site.

And generic data? Date, time, scale, okay. Comparing it to the exact same two other earthquakes, described in exactly the same colloquial wording, comparing the dollar value loss to today's dollars, describing wind speed as car-tossing, etc. etc., over and over and over, all add up to no.

The most obvious, though, is the error. That is a Wikipedia error that DP repeated word for word, but that error is NOT on the visitors center site. In fact, the correct statement (80 million tons) is literally in the second sentence on the main site.
wiki error wrote:
50 million cubic yards (38 million cubic metres) of rock, mud and debris

DP duplicating the error, wrote:
Fifty million cubic yards (38 million cubic metres) of rock, mud, and debris

correct fact, from Visitors Center front page, wrote:
over 80 million tons of rock


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 10:35 am 
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The cool thing about citing your sources is that when they turn out to be wrong, you don't look like an idiot. You just look like someone who quotes sources and one of them happened to be wrong.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 11:42 am 
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The cool thing about citing your sources is that when they turn out to be wrong, you don't look like an idiot. You just look like someone who quotes sources and one of them happened to be wrong.


What do you look like when you keep doubling down hoping your audience doesn't notice or care?

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 9:02 pm 
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Lemmie wrote:
a commenter from SeN wrote:
There is no way DP copied this from Wikipedia's page. The wording is totally different.

If something like that was found in the Book of Mormon and another document, it would be considered a 100% match and be regarded as proof on a cosmological scale by the SeN proponents.

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Hey Dan, (since you can't seem to look away from this ongoing monument to your disgusting behavior) I'm laughing my ass off at your antics. Keep it up, Mormon Apologetic BS is so entertaining.

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Hey Dan, (since you can't seem to look away from this ongoing monument to your disgusting behavior) I'm laughing my ass off at your antics. Keep it up, Mormon Apologetic BS is so entertaining.

:lol:


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Good heavens. Just when you think that you are done being baffled by the BS of classic-FARMS Mopologists. This is why they make such a rich field of study.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 11:03 am 
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I always enjoy it when Mr. Peterson claims a point
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From one of my incomplete manuscripts
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https://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpeters ... ledge.html

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpeters ... kshop.html

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpeters ... faced.html

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpeters ... wdery.html

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpeterson/page/32

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpeters ... reely.html

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpeters ... -wren.html

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpeters ... art-3.html

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpeters ... eived.html

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpeters ... -dead.html

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpeters ... tands.html

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpeters ... truth.html

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpeters ... aud-2.html

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpeters ... ssics.html

I love the clever little notion he likes to plant with his dupes that his 'study' is littered with incomplete manuscripts, notes messily left about a large mahogany desk, a stereophonic record player quitely eliciting Vivaldi in the background, and rich artwork of dogs playing poker the Savior or a temple on his walls in an underlit space.

What. A ____. Schlub.

How does he get away with it? How in the world has BYU paid this confidence man for so many years? It's crazy.

eta: The above links are him referencing some incomplete manuscript he's been fiddling with that he totes is going to finish some day. Those links? Just a SMALL sample of how many times he's dropped that little gem.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 2:38 pm 
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Well, I mean in the spirit of a genius polymath, I'm sure he has literally hundreds of little unfinished manuscripts on every subject from what Darwin was thinking when he put that beetle in his mouth because he didn't want to lost it, to NASA planning the first manned visit to Andromeda....... Give the man some time, he's only had 50 years. Crimany you can't possibly expect a traveling genius to write too many more books than one for academic studies can ya?! It's gonna take him another dozen years to get rid of all the plagiarisms in his manuscripts, so I would advocate patience grasshoppers....... :lol:

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The unfinished manuscripts are printouts of Wikipedia articles that he has yet to rearrange the grammar and work into blog posts. :lol:

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 4:08 pm 
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The unfinished manuscripts are printouts of Wikipedia articles that he has yet to rearrange the grammar and work into blog posts. :lol:

:lol:
Wikipedia seems to feature a lot in the 'manuscripts'. Maybe that's why he isn't bothering with a citation for the information he says came from park service sources. He knows it's all just rearranged Wikipedia, including the error he copied over.

Although it would have helped, as you pointed out earlier.
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The cool thing about citing your sources is that when they turn out to be wrong, you don't look like an idiot. You just look like someone who quotes sources and one of them happened to be wrong.
Exactly.


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