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 Post subject: Church Milestone:100 Stakes in the Philippines
PostPosted: Tue Sep 12, 2017 4:07 pm 
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The Church is moving forward in the Philippines:

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Today there are more than 746,000 members of the Church in the Philippines — a remarkable number considering that the growth in the country occurred in just more than half of a century.

The Alabang temple, which will be build in Metro Manila, speaks to the rapid growth of the Church in the Philippines, said Elder Shayne M. Bowen, a General Authority Seventy and Philippines Area president. “The Philippines is a country of over 100 million people,” he said. “Travel times are very long in the Philippines with the heavy traffic. This is particularly the case in Metro Manila. A normal 30-minute trip can take up to five hours. With another temple in Metro Manila in a place called Alabang, the saints will be greatly blessed to be able to attend the temple more often and with much less time spent on travel.”

After creating the 100th stake, Elder Andersen asked why among all the nations of the earth “has the Savior set his feet so firmly here in the Philippines?" "It is because of who you are,” he told the Filipino members. “This is a special place. Do not underestimate who you are. … The most important part of the Philippines is the people.”
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/8656 ... takes.html

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After creating the 100th stake, Elder Andersen asked why among all the nations of the earth “has the Savior set his feet so firmly here in the Philippines?" "It is because of who you are,” he told the Filipino members. “This is a special place. Do not underestimate who you are. … The most important part of the Philippines is the people


So, here we go again, using the word "special" to butter up the people and make them feel, extra special. Tell me, elder Anderson, which country or territory would you venture into and tell the saints there that they are NOT a special people? Is there a country or territory on Mormon god's earth that is not considered "special"?

Give me a break. This is nothing but Mormon propaganda from the lying lips of a Mormon apostle speaking sweet things into the ears of the gullible.

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Why would anyone in the Philippines want to wear garments since it is so hot and humid there??


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 12, 2017 8:11 pm 
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Why would anyone in the Philippines want to wear garments since it is so hot and humid there??


Covenant relationship with God possibly?

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http://www.cumorah.com/index.php?target ... apter_id=7

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The Philippines

Brigham Young University Newsnet quoted senior missionary Dave Brinsfield: "Out of the 49,000 converts who joined the church in 2001 and 2002 [in the Philippines], only 1,000 remain active." He continued: "The mission was averaging 120-170 baptisms a month two years ago, but only do around 80 now. Even if the numbers are lower, the church members are stronger." The retention statistic is likely misprinted, since 10 to 20 percent retention rates in the Philippines have been reported with a few missions dipping below 10 percent, but never to 2 percent. In any case, the article is a remarkable admission of the magnitude of the retention problem and the inadequacy of conventional quick-baptize methods. With a focus on ensuring that prospective converts are regularly attending church and have established other gospel habits prior to baptism, a few missions in the Philippines have greatly improved their convert retention rates. Many other missions have continued accelerated baptism practices, perpetuating catastrophic rates of convert loss.

http://www.neogaf.com/~kurai/report.html

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It is concerning that the areas with the most rapid numerical membership increase -- Latin America and the Philippines -- are also the areas with the lowest convert retention. In a Deseret News article dated October 13, 2002, Elder Holland confirmed that combatting low activity and convert retention rates is a major goal of his assignment in Chile. The same is undoubtedly true of Elder Oaks' assignment to the Philippines.

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 Post subject: Re: Church Milestone:100 Stakes in the Philippines
PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 1:08 am 
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mentalgymnast wrote:
Brackite wrote:
Why would anyone in the Philippines want to wear garments since it is so hot and humid there??


Covenant relationship with God possibly?

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Perhaps they didn't know until well after they joined the church. :twisted:

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Perhaps they didn't know until well after they joined the church. :twisted:


Indeed, the evils of Mormonism is to pour lots of milk down your throat and attempt to paint a pretty story about how wonderful the church is. Then, after you join, they introduce scary cult rituals and shovel loads of meat to include cult rituals of the temple whereby you sign your life over to the church and promise to give them whatever they ask. At least they did away with the penalties and you no longer have to give up your life rather than reveal the secrets. The church is making progress.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 8:22 am 
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They've shrunk the amount of wards per stake to make stake numbers grow. Big deal. Pretty soon it will be a 1-1 ratio of wards to stakes and maybe even members to stakes.

DNEWZ 2056 - church announces it has 18 million stakes with unbelievable growth. Total membership - 18 million.

Just think MG, you could be your own stake president someday. It will be a lot easier to get your temple recommend. :lol:

In somewhat related news, Ted Cruz likes porn.

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The number of members of the Church per 1,000 population has been falling steadily since the 1970’s.

http://www.cumorah.com/index.php?target ... ind=Search

The number of Stakes as an isolated number is without meaning, unless one looks at in consideration with the number of districts. If the Church has simply called some districts “stakes” in order to reach the 100 milestone should that really be classed as a milestone? In fact the combined number of Stakes + Districts reduced in 2016.

Cause for celebration?

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mentalgymnast wrote:
The Church is moving forward in the Philippines:

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Today there are more than 746,000 members of the Church in the Philippines — a remarkable number considering that the growth in the country occurred in just more than half of a century.

The Alabang temple, which will be build in Metro Manila, speaks to the rapid growth of the Church in the Philippines, said Elder Shayne M. Bowen, a General Authority Seventy and Philippines Area president. “The Philippines is a country of over 100 million people,” he said. “Travel times are very long in the Philippines with the heavy traffic. This is particularly the case in Metro Manila. A normal 30-minute trip can take up to five hours. With another temple in Metro Manila in a place called Alabang, the saints will be greatly blessed to be able to attend the temple more often and with much less time spent on travel.”

After creating the 100th stake, Elder Andersen asked why among all the nations of the earth “has the Savior set his feet so firmly here in the Philippines?" "It is because of who you are,” he told the Filipino members. “This is a special place. Do not underestimate who you are. … The most important part of the Philippines is the people.”
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/8656 ... takes.html


According to Cumorah.com, "[In 2010] Nationwide active membership is estimated at no greater than 120,000, or 20% of total membership." If that activity rate hasn't changed significantly (and it probably hasn't), that means there are about 153,000 active members in the church. About 60% of members live within a stake, or about 458,000 members, or 4580 members per stake. Since stakes in the Philippines average about 6.25 wards per stake, that would be around 730 per ward, with about 150 attending at least once a month (with weekly attendance somewhat lower). That's certainly better retention than in Bolivia, where activity is around 12%, but in a country with 103.3 million people, Mormons make up 0.74%, which is essentially the same as it's been for several years.

I'm not trying to pour cold water on this report but rather put it in perspective. Sure, it's a big milestone.

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Runtu wrote:


I'm not trying to pour cold water on this report but rather put it in perspective. Sure, it's a big milestone.


Hey Runtu,

I don't think that anyone who is 'in the know' is going to argue that at the same time that the church is spreading throughout the world, we also see a picture that includes problems with retention of members once they are baptized. Of course, there are various reasons for this. As a result, yes, there are going to be some areas in which there is net contraction rather than expansion in actual numbers of people sitting in the pews on Sunday. But as you say, the creation of the 100th stake in the Philippines is an important milestone in church growth in that area of the world.

For many, this is happy and welcome news.

Regards,
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A while back I had only one bank account with about $10,000.00 dollars in it. I took that bank account and divided it into 10 different accounts with $1,000.00 dollars each in it so now I can claim that my bank accounts are growing.

Now I brag to strangers on the internet about how my bank accounts are growing and how impressive it is to many people.

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I have a question wrote:
The number of members of the Church per 1,000 population has been falling steadily since the 1970’s.

http://www.cumorah.com/index.php?target ... ind=Search

The number of Stakes as an isolated number is without meaning, unless one looks at in consideration with the number of districts. If the Church has simply called some districts “stakes” in order to reach the 100 milestone should that really be classed as a milestone? In fact the combined number of Stakes + Districts reduced in 2016.

Cause for celebration?

Interesting point. I noticed in my state there has been significant reorganization over the years--stakes, districts, branches and wards all seem to have fewer and fewer numbers each time. there is not much more reorganization that can be done in the future to hide actual numbers.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 10:13 am 
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The most impressive statistic of all is how the BYU football team keeps piling up the moral victories. This proves it is true. It is true because of the moral victories piled up in the BYU football statistic. This is all most impressive.

Chiasmus achieved!

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 10:27 am 
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Here, the apostle butters up the people to make them feel soooo special.

Elder Anderson wrote:
Elder Andersen asked why among all the nations of the earth “has the Savior set his feet so firmly here in the Philippines?" "It is because of who you are,” he told the Filipino members. “This is a special place. Do not underestimate who you are. … The most important part of the Philippines is the people


But what about the rest of Heavenly Father's children? Aren't they special too? Aren't their nations special and wouldn't an apostle tell them that when visiting them in their own lands? Which of all the nations would Elder Anderson tell the people that they are NOT special?

Afghanistan
Albania
Algeria
Andorra
Angola
Antigua and Barbuda
Argentina
Armenia
Australia
Austria
Azerbaijan
Bahamas
Bahrain
Bangladesh
Barbados
Belarus
Belgium
Belize
Benin
Bhutan
Bolivia
Bosnia and Herzegovina
Botswana
Brazil
Brunei
Bulgaria
Burkina Faso
Burundi
Cabo Verde
Cambodia
Cameroon
Canada
Central African Republic (CAR)
Chad
Chile
China
Colombia
Comoros
Democratic Republic of the Congo
Republic of the Congo
Costa Rica
Cote d'Ivoire
Croatia
Cuba
Cyprus
Czech Republic
Denmark
Djibouti
Dominica
Dominican Republic
Ecuador
Egypt
El Salvador
Equatorial Guinea
Eritrea
Estonia
Ethiopia
Fiji
Finland
France
Gabon
Gambia
Georgia
Germany
Ghana
Greece
Grenada
Guatemala
Guinea
Guinea-Bissau
Guyana
Haiti
Honduras
Hungary
Iceland
India
Indonesia
Iran
Iraq
Ireland
Israel
Italy
Jamaica
Japan
Jordan
Kazakhstan
Kenya
Kiribati
Kosovo
Kuwait
Kyrgyzstan
Laos
Latvia
Lebanon
Lesotho
Liberia
Libya
Liechtenstein
Lithuania
Luxembourg
Macedonia (FYROM)
Madagascar
Malawi
Malaysia
Maldives
Mali
Malta
Marshall Islands
Mauritania
Mauritius
Mexico
Micronesia
Moldova
Monaco
Mongolia
Montenegro
Morocco
Mozambique
Myanmar (Burma)
Namibia
Nauru
Nepal
Netherlands
New Zealand
Nicaragua
Niger
Nigeria
North Korea
Norway
Oman
Pakistan
Palau
Palestine
Panama
Papua New Guinea
Paraguay
Peru
Philippines
Poland
Portugal
Qatar
Romania
Russia
Rwanda
Saint Kitts and Nevis
Saint Lucia
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
Samoa
San Marino
Sao Tome and Principe
Saudi Arabia
Senegal
Serbia
Seychelles
Sierra Leone
Singapore
Slovakia
Slovenia
Solomon Islands
Somalia
South Africa
South Korea
South Sudan
Spain
Sri Lanka
Sudan
Suriname
Swaziland
Sweden
Switzerland
Syria
Taiwan
Tajikistan
Tanzania
Thailand
Timor-Leste
Togo
Tonga
Trinidad and Tobago
Tunisia
Turkey
Turkmenistan
Tuvalu
Uganda
Ukraine
United Arab Emirates (UAE)
United Kingdom (UK)
United States of America (USA)
Uruguay
Uzbekistan
Vanuatu
Vatican City (Holy See)
Venezuela
Vietnam
Yemen
Zambia
Zimbabwe

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Here, the apostle butters up the people to make them feel soooo special.

Elder Anderson wrote:
Elder Andersen asked why among all the nations of the earth “has the Savior set his feet so firmly here in the Philippines?" "It is because of who you are,” he told the Filipino members. “This is a special place. Do not underestimate who you are. … The most important part of the Philippines is the people


But what about the rest of Heavenly Father's children? Aren't they special too? Aren't their nations special and wouldn't an apostle tell them that when visiting them in their own lands? Which of all the nations would Elder Anderson tell the people that they are NOT special?

Afghanistan
Albania
Algeria
Andorra
Angola
Antigua and Barbuda
Argentina
Armenia
Australia
Austria
Azerbaijan
Bahamas
Bahrain
Bangladesh
Barbados
Belarus
Belgium
Belize
Benin
Bhutan
Bolivia
Bosnia and Herzegovina
Botswana
Brazil
Brunei
Bulgaria
Burkina Faso
Burundi
Cabo Verde
Cambodia
Cameroon
Canada
Central African Republic (CAR)
Chad
Chile
China
Colombia
Comoros
Democratic Republic of the Congo
Republic of the Congo
Costa Rica
Cote d'Ivoire
Croatia
Cuba
Cyprus
Czech Republic
Denmark
Djibouti
Dominica
Dominican Republic
Ecuador
Egypt
El Salvador
Equatorial Guinea
Eritrea
Estonia
Ethiopia
Fiji
Finland
France
Gabon
Gambia
Georgia
Germany
Ghana
Greece
Grenada
Guatemala
Guinea
Guinea-Bissau
Guyana
Haiti
Honduras
Hungary
Iceland
India
Indonesia
Iran
Iraq
Ireland
Israel
Italy
Jamaica
Japan
Jordan
Kazakhstan
Kenya
Kiribati
Kosovo
Kuwait
Kyrgyzstan
Laos
Latvia
Lebanon
Lesotho
Liberia
Libya
Liechtenstein
Lithuania
Luxembourg
Macedonia (FYROM)
Madagascar
Malawi
Malaysia
Maldives
Mali
Malta
Marshall Islands
Mauritania
Mauritius
Mexico
Micronesia
Moldova
Monaco
Mongolia
Montenegro
Morocco
Mozambique
Myanmar (Burma)
Namibia
Nauru
Nepal
Netherlands
New Zealand
Nicaragua
Niger
Nigeria
North Korea
Norway
Oman
Pakistan
Palau
Palestine
Panama
Papua New Guinea
Paraguay
Peru
Philippines
Poland
Portugal
Qatar
Romania
Russia
Rwanda
Saint Kitts and Nevis
Saint Lucia
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
Samoa
San Marino
Sao Tome and Principe
Saudi Arabia
Senegal
Serbia
Seychelles
Sierra Leone
Singapore
Slovakia
Slovenia
Solomon Islands
Somalia
South Africa
South Korea
South Sudan
Spain
Sri Lanka
Sudan
Suriname
Swaziland
Sweden
Switzerland
Syria
Taiwan
Tajikistan
Tanzania
Thailand
Timor-Leste
Togo
Tonga
Trinidad and Tobago
Tunisia
Turkey
Turkmenistan
Tuvalu
Uganda
Ukraine
United Arab Emirates (UAE)
United Kingdom (UK)
United States of America (USA)
Uruguay
Uzbekistan
Vanuatu
Vatican City (Holy See)
Venezuela
Vietnam
Yemen
Zambia
Zimbabwe


We can throw out the Irish...lets not push the special thing.

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