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PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 3:54 pm 
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I am trying to locate the source for a story I heard more than once back in the late 1970's.

It had to do with an anonymous Mormon father whose child (daughter?) was in some kind of bad accident and had just died.

The Mormon father went out and laid hands on the daughter and commanded her to live and she opened her eyes and was fine.

The moral of the story was about how that Mormon father was really glad that he hadn't been doing anything unchaste or unvirtuous so that when the time came, he could have the power needed to perform this miracle by the power of the priesthood.

Does anybody else remember this story?

Does anybody know where it comes from?

I have tried searching and so far haven't been able to come up with anything.

Thanks in advance!

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 3:55 pm 
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Have you tried asking Jeff Holland? He might know all the details.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 4:01 pm 
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Jeff isn't returning my calls anymore for some reason.

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Interesting..hope you find the source. I was in my late teens/early 20's in the 70's..ugh..yes, I am old..but I did not hear this.

That being said, some of you may have already seen an ex-mo postimony who talked of his patriarchal blessing that said that he would someday make someone rise from the dead..if he lived deligently. Of course, his brother dies..and the faithful priesthood holder went to the mortuary to do his very best...

So..yes,..this is very interesting. I have very personal reasons to wonder about priesthood blessings so keep me posted Consig..hugs to you!


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Paul Dunn? I think the 1970's was a great decade for his brand of b.s. However, it didn't include him so maybe not.


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Interesting..hope you find the source. I was in my late teens/early 20's in the 70's..ugh..yes, I am old..but I did not hear this.

That being said, some of you may have already seen an ex-mo postimony who talked of his patriarchal blessing that said that he would someday make someone rise from the dead..if he lived deligently. Of course, his brother dies..and the faithful priesthood holder went to the mortuary to do his very best...

So..yes,..this is very interesting. I have very personal reasons to wonder about priesthood blessings so keep me posted Consig..hugs to you!


Sounds like a morbid testimony, to be sure.

I am thinking of calling the new episode, "A Wish for Blessings That Work."

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I have not heard that one. On a totally different front, in the 80's in Salt Lake City/Provo there was some dude who said he had received the sealed portion of the Book of Mormon and was distributing it. I never got a copy of this, but it might be interesting to try and dig up this story.


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RockSlider wrote:
I have not heard that one. On a totally different front, in the 80's in Salt Lake City/Provo there was some dude who said he had received the sealed portion of the Book of Mormon and was distributing it. I never got a copy of this, but it might be interesting to try and dig up this story.


It's readily available for anyone foolish enough to bother reading it.

http://christophernemelka.com/
http://www.marvelousworkandawonder.com/tsp/index.htm
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candygal wrote:
Interesting..hope you find the source. I was in my late teens/early 20's in the 70's..ugh..yes, I am old..but I did not hear this.

That being said, some of you may have already seen an ex-mo postimony who talked of his patriarchal blessing that said that he would someday make someone rise from the dead..if he lived deligently. Of course, his brother dies..and the faithful priesthood holder went to the mortuary to do his very best...

So..yes,..this is very interesting. I have very personal reasons to wonder about priesthood blessings so keep me posted Consig..hugs to you!


Sounds like a morbid testimony, to be sure.

I am thinking of calling the new episode, "A Wish for Blessings That Work."

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That is what you need...a real big challenge...! :smile:


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That story sounds vaguely familiar. Now it's really going to bug me until we track it down.

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I found it! It's from the infamous "Self-Inflicted Purging" talk, the one with the masturbation scroll. Vaughn Featherstone, April 1975 conference.

https://www.LDS.org/general-conference/ ... g?lang=eng

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I know of a great man who held his dead son in his arms, and said, “In the name of Jesus Christ and by the power and authority of the Holy Melchizedek Priesthood, I command you to live.” And the dead boy opened up his eyes.

This great brother could not have possibly done that had he been looking at a pornographic piece of material a few nights before or if he had been involved in any other transgression of that kind. The priesthood has to have a pure conduit to operate.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 12, 2017 1:20 pm 
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Runtu wrote:
I found it! It's from the infamous "Self-Inflicted Purging" talk, the one with the masturbation scroll. Vaughn Featherstone, April 1975 conference.

https://www.LDS.org/general-conference/ ... g?lang=eng

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I know of a great man who held his dead son in his arms, and said, “In the name of Jesus Christ and by the power and authority of the Holy Melchizedek Priesthood, I command you to live.” And the dead boy opened up his eyes.

This great brother could not have possibly done that had he been looking at a pornographic piece of material a few nights before or if he had been involved in any other transgression of that kind. The priesthood has to have a pure conduit to operate.


He’s still alive, so the story can be fact checked. What are the odds of it being retracted if it gains enough publicity?

By the way, the talk is horrific.
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We shouldn’t have a problem with masturbation. I know one fine father who interviewed his 11-year-old son and he said, “Son, if you never masturbate, the time will come in your life when you will be able to sit in front of your bishop at age 19, and say to him, ‘I have never done that in my life,’ and then you can go to the stake president when you are interviewed for your mission and tell him, ‘I have never done that in my life.’ And you would be quite a rare young man.”

The father again interviewed the young man, who is now 18 years old, and he asked the son about masturbation. The son said, “I have never done that in my life. You told me, Dad, that if I didn’t do that, I would be able to sit in front of the bishop and stake president and tell them I had never done it, and I would be a rare young man, and I am going to be able to do it.”

Another CFR...

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Runtu wrote:
I found it! It's from the infamous "Self-Inflicted Purging" talk, the one with the masturbation scroll. Vaughn Featherstone, April 1975 conference.

https://www.LDS.org/general-conference/ ... g?lang=eng

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I know of a great man who held his dead son in his arms, and said, “In the name of Jesus Christ and by the power and authority of the Holy Melchizedek Priesthood, I command you to live.” And the dead boy opened up his eyes.

This great brother could not have possibly done that had he been looking at a pornographic piece of material a few nights before or if he had been involved in any other transgression of that kind. The priesthood has to have a pure conduit to operate.


So if you loose a child that you were desperately praying would live, it is your fault for sinning.

In essence, sinning will allow God to let your children die.

Who believes in a God that would act that way?

/boggle

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So if you loose a child that you were desperately praying would live, it is your fault for sinning.

In essence, sinning will allow God to let your children die.

Who believes in a God that would act that way?

/boggle


A friend of mine went to her bishop a few years ago because she was struggling with her testimony, having come across disturbing information about the early church. She was serving as the Relief Society president at the time, and the bishop just kept telling her to let it go and ignore it. One day her 6-year-old son was out helping her husband on their property. The father left the son alone with a riding tractor, and the boy took the opportunity to drive the tractor. The father returned to find his son crushed under the tractor, dead. When they sought comfort from the bishop, he told her this would not have happened had she not ignored her doubts and had instead stayed faithful.

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Runtu wrote:
I found it! It's from the infamous "Self-Inflicted Purging" talk, the one with the masturbation scroll. Vaughn Featherstone, April 1975 conference.

https://www.LDS.org/general-conference/ ... g?lang=eng

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I know of a great man who held his dead son in his arms, and said, “In the name of Jesus Christ and by the power and authority of the Holy Melchizedek Priesthood, I command you to live.” And the dead boy opened up his eyes.

This great brother could not have possibly done that had he been looking at a pornographic piece of material a few nights before or if he had been involved in any other transgression of that kind. The priesthood has to have a pure conduit to operate.


BAM!!!


You are freaking awesome!!!

Thank you so much!!!

I owe you!!!


Now, let me briefly say that, inasmuch as I didn't joint he church until 1978, this talk had quite a bit of staying power as it must have been recycled for at least several years until I finally heard it.

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Runtu wrote:
I found it! It's from the infamous "Self-Inflicted Purging" talk, the one with the masturbation scroll. Vaughn Featherstone, April 1975 conference.

https://www.LDS.org/general-conference/ ... g?lang=eng

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I know of a great man who held his dead son in his arms, and said, “In the name of Jesus Christ and by the power and authority of the Holy Melchizedek Priesthood, I command you to live.” And the dead boy opened up his eyes.

This great brother could not have possibly done that had he been looking at a pornographic piece of material a few nights before or if he had been involved in any other transgression of that kind. The priesthood has to have a pure conduit to operate.


Fence Sitter wrote:
So if you loose a child that you were desperately praying would live, it is your fault for sinning.

In essence, sinning will allow God to let your children die.

Who believes in a God that would act that way?

/boggle


Think of it this way - if you look at porn or masturbate you won’t be able to resurrect the dead.

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And this story is pretty good at cementing the teaching that cola is against the Word of Wisdom:

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I was over in England a while back and a bishop asked me, “What is the Church’s stand on cola drinks?” I said, “Well, I can’t remember the exact wording of the bulletin, but I remember seeing the bulletin when I was a stake president. The Church, of course, advises against them.”

He said, “Well, I have read the Priesthood Bulletin, but that isn’t what it says to me.”

And I said, “Would you get your Priesthood Bulletin? Let’s read it together.” And so we found under the heading “Cola Drinks”: “… the leaders of the Church have advised, and we do now specifically advise, against use of any drink containing harmful habit-forming drugs. …” (The Priesthood Bulletin, Feb. 1972, p. 4.)

He said, “Well, you see, that doesn’t mean cola.”

I said, “Well, I guess you will have to come to your own grips with that, but to me, there is no question.” You see, there can’t be the slightest particle of rebellion, and in him there is. We can find loopholes in a lot of things if we want to bend the rules of the Church.

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consiglieri wrote:
And this story is pretty good at cementing the teaching that cola is against the Word of Wisdom:

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I was over in England a while back and a bishop asked me, “What is the Church’s stand on cola drinks?” I said, “Well, I can’t remember the exact wording of the bulletin, but I remember seeing the bulletin when I was a stake president. The Church, of course, advises against them.”

He said, “Well, I have read the Priesthood Bulletin, but that isn’t what it says to me.”

And I said, “Would you get your Priesthood Bulletin? Let’s read it together.” And so we found under the heading “Cola Drinks”: “… the leaders of the Church have advised, and we do now specifically advise, against use of any drink containing harmful habit-forming drugs. …” (The Priesthood Bulletin, Feb. 1972, p. 4.)

He said, “Well, you see, that doesn’t mean cola.”

I said, “Well, I guess you will have to come to your own grips with that, but to me, there is no question.” You see, there can’t be the slightest particle of rebellion, and in him there is. We can find loopholes in a lot of things if we want to bend the rules of the Church.


VJ Featherstone came to my mission in 1996. He told us that President Hinckley would live to see 100 temples built. There were 50 at the time. We totally thought that church membership was going to explode and that we were in the last days.

He didn't mention to us that they were going to start building mini-temples. (we got 100 temples by the year 2000)

Well played Elder Featherstone, well played. (At least he didn't claim the temples wouldn't happen if we masturbated)


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 12, 2017 5:45 pm 
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Runtu wrote:
That story sounds vaguely familiar. Now it's really going to bug me until we track it down.


I remember hearing a story awfully similar to that one. Southern Calif. Sixties or Seventies would be my guess.

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I like the one about the Snapple drinking troll...

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 12, 2017 8:04 pm 
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grindael wrote:
I like the one about the Snapple drinking troll...


Your response does not lend itself to a productive/civil conversation and/or discussion. It does lead us down a road that ultimately leads to a cul-de-sac/dead end where we find ourselves going round and round wasting each other's time. Rather than leading us in an unproductive/uncivil direction, you might want to add substantively to the discussion?

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