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 Post subject: Re: Prophets to Guide Us
PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 12:36 am 
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Does God have nothing to say, then?
There is an LDS general conference is coming up in October. Tune in to find out.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 2:14 am 
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zerinus wrote:
lemuel wrote:
Does God have nothing to say, then?
There is an LDS general conference is coming up in October. Tune in to find out.

I look forward to you returning with some insight as to which bits were God speaking, and which bits were merely the opinions of the speakers themselves.

Spoiler alert.

He won’t, because he can’t.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 6:47 am 
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I have a question wrote:
I look forward to you returning with some insight as to which bits were God speaking, and which bits were merely the opinions of the speakers themselves.

Spoiler alert.

He won’t, because he can’t.


General Conference will be the same old regurgitated faith promoting boring talks as if it's been recycled and repeated time and time again. Welcome to the Mormon merry-go-round. Boring as can be and nothing really new or exciting about planet earth or god's plan to come and take it for his own. It's simply more of the same oft repeated scripture verses that put hope in the hearts of the those who need hope and increase faith in the minds of those who have to have faith to feel like they are of worth.

But what do I say? Shake off the faith and chains of Jesus Christ! Shake them off and remove the fetters of Christ who binds you down and makes you feel guilty of your so-called sins unless you fall down and grovel before him shedding endless tears of personal torment.

No thanks to General Conference and LDS guilt trips! Those who find the wisdom and strength to forsake it are truly the lucky ones and these are the ones who expand their own will and find freedom and happiness that is not available in the servitude institutional slavery of Mormonism. Mormon slavery can really be drudgery. Been there, done that.

It's good to free. It's good to be without Christ! Peace, joy, and freedom.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 12:18 pm 
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All that's needed is a Prophet Bot that repeats

PAY
PRAY
OBEY

and wiggles its ears. :wink:

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 4:16 pm 
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zerinus wrote:
lemuel wrote:
Does God have nothing to say, then?
There is an LDS general conference is coming up in October. Tune in to find out.


LDS church leadership = god. I was confused as to why so many members worship the leaders, but now I know.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 4:40 pm 
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The Soap Maker wrote:

LDS church leadership = god. I was confused as to why so many members worship the leaders, but now I know.


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D&C 1:37-38
“37 Search these commandments, for they are true and faithful, and the prophecies and promises which are in them shall all be fulfilled.

38 What I the Lord have spoken, I have spoken, and I excuse not myself; and though the heavens and the earth pass away, my word shall not pass away, but shall all be fulfilled, whether by mine own voice or by the voice of my servants, it is the same.”


I think this is where the tradition of looking at what the leaders say as something that ought to be hearkened to came about.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 8:00 pm 
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The Soap Maker wrote:
LDS church leadership = god. I was confused as to why so many members worship the leaders, but now I know.
Dumb comment.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 8:11 pm 
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... whether by mine own voice or by the voice of my servants, it is the same.”


And that is why the Mormon God is Adam. Adam said so to Brigham Young. :biggrin:

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 4:50 pm 
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... whether by mine own voice or by the voice of my servants, it is the same.”


And that is why the Mormon God is Adam. Adam said so to Brigham Young. :biggrin:


"The first recorded explanation of the doctrine using the term "Adam–God" was by Young, who first taught the doctrine at the church's spring general conference on April 9, 1852. This sermon was recorded stenographically by George D. Watt, Young's private secretary"

Brigham Young wrote:
When our father Adam came into the garden of Eden, he came into it with a celestial body, and brought Eve, one of his wives, with him. He helped to make and organize this world. He is MICHAEL, the Archangel, the ANCIENT OF DAYS! about whom holy men have written and spoken—He is our FATHER and our GOD, and the only God with whom WE have to do. Every man upon the earth, professing Christians or non-professing, must hear it, and will know it sooner or later


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam%E2%80%93God_doctrine

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2017 11:28 am 
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But what do I say? Shake off the faith and chains of Jesus Christ! Shake them off and remove the fetters of Christ who binds you down and makes you feel guilty of your so-called sins unless you fall down and grovel before him shedding endless tears of personal torment.

That sounds like something Satan would say.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2017 11:42 am 
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zerinus wrote:
consiglieri wrote:
It is a strange conclusion to a message that mentions nine prophets (ten if we include the author), lists the main things learned from them, and doesn't mention even a hint of revelation anywhere.

I think this article does a good job of illustrating the strange state of Mormonism--being a church that trumpets continuing revelation through its prophets, but doesn't have any specifics to mention.

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It's not relevant to the fact they are not providing any supposed revelations to the world or LDS church which does have some believers in it.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 4:30 am 
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zerinus wrote:
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LDS church leadership = god. I was confused as to why so many members worship the leaders, but now I know.
<Dumb comment>


Fixed it for you. You’re welcome.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 8:07 am 
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mentalgymnast wrote:

And how should things work?

Thus saith Fetchface:

Fetchface 1:1-12

Go for it...

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Taking one issue as an example, the prophet would be able to come up with a coherent explanation for the notes to Facsimile 3. They wouldn't have to produce an essay whose best explanation redefines words in common usage.

Unfortunately for the prophet, Facsimile 3 is a smoking gun of obvious fraud so that is the best he can do. If God really is behind that logical mess, he owes you an apology, MG. The truth shouldn't be so hidden under signs of obvious fraud. It was not nice of him to hide it there.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 8:30 am 
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The Soap Maker wrote:

LDS church leadership = god. I was confused as to why so many members worship the leaders, but now I know.


It's the Church of Joseph Smith. The church and its leaders are worshiped in the flesh, Jesus as a token mantra to maintain the pretense that it's a Christian movement. :wink: You know, like Scientology pretending it's a church/religion when it all comes down to the worship of L. Ron and his present stooges.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 8:30 am 
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Taking one issue as an example, the prophet would be able to come up with a coherent explanation for the notes to Facsimile 3. They wouldn't have to produce an essay whose best explanation redefines words in common usage.

Unfortunately for the prophet, Facsimile 3 is a smoking gun of obvious fraud so that is the best he can do. If God really is behind that logical mess, he owes you an apology, MG. The truth shouldn't be so hidden under signs of obvious fraud. It was not nice of him to hide it there.


To my knowledge, no President of the church has made a comment about the controversies of the Explanations of Facsimile No. 3. Not a word!. The prophets of Mormonism dare not touch it with a 10 foot pole. They know anything they say will go on record and be written in stone, more especially, if they say anything authoritatively to suggest further revelation in understanding the strange anomaly and obvious contradiction it will forever haunt them. The Mormon prophets dare not say a word. They have left that to scholars to say pretty much what they want but the church membership is left hanging on anything intelligent to come out of the mouth of the cowardly prophets. Mormon prophets don't get revelations about the false revelations of Mormonism. That much is clear. Crickets chirp.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 10:59 am 
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To my knowledge, no President of the church has made a comment about the controversies of the Explanations of Facsimile No. 3. Not a word!.

The closest we have come in recent history is Holland hemming and hawing to John Sweeney. He basically just cops to knowing nothing about how it could possibly work.

He has to. Because there is no possible rational explanation that favors the truth claims of the church. If you are on the side of truth, you should not run into such situations.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 11:27 am 
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To my knowledge, no President of the church has made a comment about the controversies of the Explanations of Facsimile No. 3. Not a word!.

The closest we have come in recent history is Holland hemming and hawing to John Sweeney. He basically just cops to knowing nothing about how it could possibly work.

He has to. Because there is no possible rational explanation that favors the truth claims of the church. If you are on the side of truth, you should not run into such situations.


Indeed, elder Holland confessed that he does not understand the vehicle by which Joseph Smith translated. He's in the dark on that one. He was adamant to the effect that he knows no Egyptian and seem to suggest he never will know Egyptian and therefore cannot help the cause.

The prophets, seers, and revelators are DODOs. Every Single one of them. The Explanations of Facsimile No. 3 are a total embarrassment to the church and the apostles of Mormonism are clueless on how to address this sad tale of misery and woe. This controversy is not ever going to go away as it continues to haunt them and remind them that something really is rotten in Mormonism.

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