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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 11:04 am 
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 12:36 pm 
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Reminds me a little bit about when I volunteered in the Elder's Quorum Moving Company and I helped a guy with a 5000 square foot house move to a 3000 square foot rental house so that he could rent out his 5000 square foot house and bring in some additional income. If he had had to pay a moving company, that may have wiped out a couple months' rent profits.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 1:53 pm 
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what is a perk

It's a benefit. Think of it as receiving unlimited indulgences following a second anointing. Not something for the masses, but only for decorated combat officers in the Heaven War.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 4:05 pm 
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Sidenote: This might sound strange coming from an active, believing member who supports the Church, but the JustServe thing bothers me. It's hard to use and implement, and it emerges through experience with it that the purpose of it is to tally and tout man hours. It is actually the opposite of "just serving" (which would be "off the books." Verily I say, they have their reward). The emphasis is not doing service projects that aren't booked and recorded through JustServe.

I am also not a fan of T-Shirts trumpeting the big service effort. Not sure if that's the case with Harvey, but "Mormon Helping Hands" has been a thing in the past

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As far as the opening post, there is a lot of benefit to having access to the network of members. I often wonder what people do when they move to a new area and know nobody, and have no network at all? I'm a school teacher, but during the summer I do construction and odd jobs through a temp agency. I often am hired to help people move --- elderly or single people --- and the job is h-u-g-e, and I have my sons come and help for free, just so it can be finished at a reasonable time and not cost the person an arm and a leg. They are dumbfounded that I would do that, but we as a ward often move non-members in, and without this, they would be hard-pressed to get done what needs to be done (especially very heavy or awkward items).

I got a call Sunday night from a couple in Delaware. Their daughter is antagonistic towards the Church, and she and her non-member husband and their special needs son moved to our area. They know no one and are quite isolated. They need help with some things, but don't want to ask the Church for help (truth be told, they don't want to be found). She told her mother that she didn't want to be beholden to the Church for anything. I haven't called her yet, and maybe she'll tell me to go jump in a lake, but just the existence and availability of the Church network is significant.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 5:12 pm 
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The help network of the LDS church is truly admirable. The problem is that it has some dark sides to it.

It is less than admirable when someone who doesn't need it uses it to fatten their wallet. It was also less than admirable when we ignore the human cost on the other side of that impressive network.

When I was EQP, there was such a constant deluge of "service opportunities" (me being told to organize some heroic show of service with absolutely no advance notice) that I frequently pondered that I would happily welcome death because it would be restful. Let that sink in for a minute. That's the kind of lengths these volunteers are pushing themselves to.

I'm still mystified as to how I ended up in that position (i.e. how the leaders thought that was a good idea to give me that calling) with four kids under 4 years old at home, along with the most demanding families to home teach, constantly calling with help requests. That was truly a dark time in my life that held very little joy/happiness. But I see it repeating itself. The church doesn't care. In the Stake Conference where our stake president was called, his wife had to hand him the baby for the obligatory testimony bearing. He paced around, bouncing the baby while she bore her testimony that this calling came from God.

When God tells you to do something, you do it. Even if it sucks all the joy out of life and makes you feel ready for death. The church may pay lip service to putting your family first, but just try telling your bishop that you can't get people to his latest pet project and watch him exercise his veto power over your family. That's my experience anyway.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 6:00 pm 
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The bright yellow"Mormons helping...." T-shirts seem kind of tacky. Why not give God the glory, and not the church?


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 8:57 pm 
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I think this is the area President Uchtdorf visited while wearing one of those yellow t-shirts:

https://www.google.com/search?q=Wimbled ... 80&bih=617

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 1:02 am 
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what is a perk

Says the well heeled lawyer for many clients including LDS Inc.

I am certain bot would be a home cleaned up by the yellow Mormon helping hands crew.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 1:05 am 
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Am I wrong?

Yes, by participating with the Mormons, you are.

Why not go and work with those who you feel deserve your time, efforts, and empathy?

Perhaps you too are attempting to keep up appearances? You and LDS Inc are two peas in a pod.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 3:43 am 
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I often wonder what people do when they move to a new area and know nobody, and have no network at all?

Umm, they lift and move the boxes themselves . . . ?

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I'm still mystified as to how I ended up in that position . . . with four kids under 4 years old at home, . . .

??? Wow, you must REALLY enjoy changing diapers!

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 7:52 am 
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Sidenote: This might sound strange coming from an active, believing member who supports the Church, but the JustServe thing bothers me. It's hard to use and implement, and it emerges through experience with it that the purpose of it is to tally and tout man hours. It is actually the opposite of "just serving" (which would be "off the books." Verily I say, they have their reward). The emphasis is not doing service projects that aren't booked and recorded through JustServe.

I am also not a fan of T-Shirts trumpeting the big service effort. Not sure if that's the case with Harvey, but "Mormon Helping Hands" has been a thing in the past

Yes, it’s ‘a thing’ with Harvey...
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/8656 ... arvey.html


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As far as the opening post, there is a lot of benefit to having access to the network of members. I often wonder what people do when they move to a new area and know nobody, and have no network at all?

Neighbours.
The fact that you wonder what they do seems to indicate that you haven’t helped any non members who have moved into your area, or do you think it’s only Mormons who help people?

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??? Wow, you must REALLY enjoy changing diapers!

I remember having hands that were cracked and bleeding from so many post-diaper-change washes.

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Do you by chance have any pics to share? It might be inspiring to see board contributors doing charity work.

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??? Wow, you must REALLY enjoy changing diapers!

I remember having hands that were cracked and bleeding from so many post-diaper-change washes.

Holy Hell.

Are you aware that pretty much every convenience- and grocery store sells certain prophylactic devices that are extremely effective at preventing having four children under age 4?

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Holy Hell.

Are you aware that pretty much every convenience- and grocery store sells certain prophylactic devices that are extremely effective at preventing having four children under age 4?

Sure, and I was also aware of that back then. I also learned from experience that those devices are not 100% effective.

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I have a question wrote:
Yes, it’s ‘a thing’ with Harvey...
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/8656 ... arvey.html


Not a fan of this.

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The fact that you wonder what they do seems to indicate that you haven’t helped any non members who have moved into your area, or do you think it’s only Mormons who help people?


I help non-members, but when I do, it seems that they would have been up a creek without the help. At least, judging from their response.

I've even been called by the hospital to help a homebound elderly woman (hip replacement) facing HOA sanctions for weeds. My son and I went over after school and took care of them (three-feet high in the front yard). The home nurse reported the issue, and someone looked up the bishop of record for that area. It wasn't logged in JustServe, though, so the Church didn't get credit for it . . . :wink:


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 11:36 am 
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Dr. Shades wrote:
Holy Hell.

Are you aware that pretty much every convenience- and grocery store sells certain prophylactic devices that are extremely effective at preventing having four children under age 4?

Sure, and I was also aware of that back then. I also learned from experience that those devices are not 100% effective.


I thought about cracking a joke about this exchange, but decided against it. You know why? Because you've been to Hell and back my friend. Wiping poop from every crack and crevice is a thankless job and you have paid your penance ten times over. SNIP YOUR DEFERENS MAN.

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