Current defence of the Book of Abraham

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Current defence of the Book of Abraham

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https://www.lds.org/topics/translation- ... m?lang=eng

Once notices in the footnotes nothing concerning Baer's work in Dialogue and also nothing about Ritner's article and book.

The only people we get are Gee, Muhlestein and Hauglid.
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Well, there is a good reason they avoid Ritner.

See here for Dr Ritner's response to the essay.
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Re: Current defence of the Book of Abraham

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Fence Sitter wrote:Well, there is a good reason they avoid Ritner.

See here for Dr Ritner's response to the essay.


Color me unimpressed by Ritner's response. He relies on the same poor assumptions most Mormon critics make concerning the Book of Abraham. Since Joseph Smith supposedly received his revelations from God through the U&T, there is no reason to assume he needed an Egyptian alphabet to receive the revelation. All such work could have happened after he received the revelation in a Champollionesque attempt to decipher the language of the Egyptians.
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Tobin wrote:Since Joseph Smith supposedly received his revelations from God through the U&T....


Which revelations did Joseph Smith claim to have received via the U&T?
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Re: Current defence of the Book of Abraham

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I have a question wrote:
Tobin wrote:Since Joseph Smith supposedly received his revelations from God through the U&T....
Which revelations did Joseph Smith claim to have received via the U&T?

You, IHAQ, have outpaced me with one thing, the U&T.

I have two more:
- what is revelation?
- who is god?

One more: who is Tobin?

An old joke from socialism:
During a seminary (yes, it was something similar in socialism in Hungary):
- "Any other question?" (by the leader of the seminary...)
- "Brother Cohen? Please?"
- "Where is the Hungarian wheat?"
- "OK, brother Cohen, you will get the answer at next seminary!"

Next seminary, time of questions:
- "Any other?"
- "Brother Gruen? Please?"
- "We have no more question about Hungarian wheat. But what about brother Cohen?"
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Re: Current defence of the Book of Abraham

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Yes, I am that racist. We have a lot of joke about Cohen and Gruen, two Jews. Sometimes Schwartz, if there is a need for a third Jew person.
All of my Jew friends know all the jokes. I've learned the jokes from them.

And, please, replace the word "brother" with "comrade". That is the original.
- Whenever a poet or preacher, chief or wizard spouts gibberish, the human race spends centuries deciphering the message. - Umberto Eco
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