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 Post subject: Active LDS: Would u give your 14 yr old daughter to Thomas?
PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2015 9:49 pm 
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Hypothetical question to active, married, full tithe paying, garment wearing, temple recommend carrying AND temple/church attending members:

Would you tell your daughter to go to the old man, if Thomas Monson came to you and promised that if you handed over your cute, innocent, 14 year old daughter(who was almost 15) to him in plural marriage, that he would ensure you get a one way ticket to the highest level in the CK?

Be honest and place yourselves in that type of situation. You get called into the stake presidents office and there is Thomas S. Monson.

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PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2015 9:59 pm 
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but I'm not active. Can't wait to hear from ldsfaqs or space cowboy. ...

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PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2015 11:10 pm 
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We also have to remember that HCK was also a member of the inner power circle of Nauvoo. To refuse Joseph Smith would have compromised his relationship with Joseph Smith and would of not only affected his church standing, but is social and probably financial situation as well. He probably would have ended up in the same boat as William Law.

Heber was a weak willed piece of excrement who chose to pimp out his 14 year old daughter to preserve his own standing in the organization. It is also probable that he was promised a harem of his own.


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Bump.

I see none of the church defenders want to answer your question PPP?

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I see none of the church defenders want to answer your question PPP?


If that is what God wants, sure. The problem is determining if that is really what God wants.

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cwald wrote:
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I see none of the church defenders want to answer your question PPP?

Yeah, figured as much.

I see Toby has replied, not sure if he has a daughter though.

I'd venture to guess that like TBM wives and polygamy, the thought of turning over your innocent sweet virgin teenaged girl to ANYONE makes the skin of most TBM fathers crawl.

How 'bout it Brother B. C. Space?

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I see none of the church defenders want to answer your question PPP?


If that is what God wants, sure. The problem is determining if that is really what God wants.


Thanks for the reply.

That simple huh? "Sure" .... How would that conversation go with your daughter?, "Sorry sweetie, but that man said that God told him that you have to be his Nth wife. Now hurry along and don't forget your training bra."

Do you have any daughters?

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I really really look forward to MG and ldsfaqs response.

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If that is what God wants, sure. The problem is determining if that is really what God wants.


Thanks for the reply.

That simple huh? "Sure" .... How would that conversation go with your daughter?, "Sorry sweetie, but that man said that God told him that you have to be his Nth wife. Now hurry along and don't forget your training bra."

Do you have any daughters?
If God appeared to me and one of my daughters and told us that is what needs to happen, I really don't see the need to question it. I doubt that is likely to happen any time in the near future.

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Tobin. The question was if Thomas Monson asked you for your 14 year old daughter . Not if God appeared to you.

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If Thomas S. Monson was like Joseph Smith, I don't think they would have a choice, if they wanted to remain in good standing.

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I think it's awesome that people would allow their 14 year old to be statutory raped as long as Elohim said it was okay.

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I think it's awesome that people would allow their 14 year old to be statutory raped as long as Elohim said it was okay.

Yep - if Elohim says it's okay then it must be OK - no arguing with that :rolleyes:

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1. If I lived in a time in which marriage and maturity norm's were very different from today, that marriage of 14-18 year olds were common place like they were in Joseph's day and long previous in history, then I would consider it if everything was right about it and it was the wish of my daughter.

2. Joseph's marriage was a "sealing". There is no actual evidence of it being a "sexual" or Polygamous marriage either.

As usual, the anti-mormon creates a Straw-man that he uses to attack and belittle something or someone.

Because:
A. Younger Marriages were not considered "abnormal" in Joseph's day, thus he begins with a lie in his question.
B. There is no evidence that Marriage was anything more than a "Sealing Ordinance".

Further, as we can see from the responces in the thread, all the anti-mormons just RUN with the lie, the misrepresentation, attributing evil to the situation and to Joseph, and to LDS believers. An evil by the way we most certainly would not support if the question was an actual REAL one based on REAL facts and reality.

Thus, NO.... according to your strawman, we wouldn't. According to the actual truth, we would consider it.

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1. If I lived in a time in which marriage and maturity norm's were very different from today, that marriage of 14-18 year olds were common place like they were in Joseph's day and long previous in history, then I would consider it if everything was right about it and it was the wish of my daughter.

2. Joseph's marriage was a "sealing". There is no actual evidence of it being a "sexual" or Polygamous marriage either.

As usual, the anti-mormon creates a Straw-man that he uses to attack and belittle something or someone.

Because:
A. Younger Marriages were not considered "abnormal" in Joseph's day, thus he begins with a lie in his question.
B. There is no evidence that Marriage was anything more than a "Sealing Ordinance".

Further, as we can see from the responces in the thread, all the anti-mormons just RUN with the lie, the misrepresentation, attributing evil to the situation and to Joseph, and to LDS believers. An evil by the way we most certainly would not support if the question was an actual REAL one based on REAL facts and reality.

Thus, NO.... according to your strawman, we wouldn't. According to the actual truth, we would consider it.

Perhaps 'Younger Marriages were not considered "abnormal" in Joseph's day', but would you agree that younger marriages to a much older man (especially one already married to several women) were considered "abnormal" in Joseph's day?

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Polygamy-Porter wrote:
Hypothetical question to active, married, full tithe paying, garment wearing, temple recommend carrying AND temple/church attending members:

Would you tell your daughter to go to the old man, if Thomas Monson came to you and promised that if you handed over your cute, innocent, 14 year old daughter(who was almost 15) to him in plural marriage, that he would ensure you get a one way ticket to the highest level in the CK?

Be honest and place yourselves in that type of situation. You get called into the stake presidents office and there is Thomas S. Monson.


No. I don't really care about a "one way ticket to the highest level of the CK". If I or my family get to heaven some day and have the opportunity to be sealed together and have association with one another, that would be cool. But I don't really care about fast tracking it. Not when there is a whole eternity to consider. If there is a CK and my family and I can get there without the whole polygamy gig, I think I would go that route.

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Perhaps 'Younger Marriages were not considered "abnormal" in Joseph's day', but would you agree that younger marriages to a much older man (especially one already married to several women) were considered "abnormal" in Joseph's day?


It would be considered abnormal to the "uninitiated", those who don't know the Bible, don't know that the Church of Christ was restored to the earth again, that an ACTUAL Prophet of God was again on the earth, not another man-made religion by men claiming authority unto themselves mixing the doctrines of men with the doctrines of God.

Those educated in the sealing ordinance would not find it "abnormal".
Remember, most marriages were only for Eternity, some were apparently also for time, which means those he could have had some sort of intimate relationship with.

In fact, a good chunk of the anti-mormonism toward the church in that day were the rumors of the Sealing Ordinance (aka spiritual wifery), that it was actually polygamy, and for a society that had been long removed from Polygamy in the Biblical sense, seeing it as a sin or evil, those uninitiated found it unbearable. Even some of the initiated were not believing and rebeled for it.

So, to those who understood, it wasn't abnormal.
To those who didn't, it was.

Nobody has said that the Restoration of the Church was without controversy or issues, the question is what is the moral truth in those events.
I stopped being anti-mormon because I finally studied the history well enough (and objectively having put away my judgments, emptying the glass again) to know that my modern social convention judgments of things were false, not the events or the religion as I had assumed from cherry picked history.

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Tobin. The question was if Thomas Monson asked you for your 14 year old daughter . Not if God appeared to you.

And if God backs him up, no problem. That should be the "gold standard" here. After all, he's supposedly a prophet of God. If God doesn't have his back, then I don't think much of his claim to be a prophet.

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I think it's awesome that people would allow their 14 year old to be statutory raped as long as Elohim said it was okay.

Yep - if Elohim says it's okay then it must be OK - no arguing with that :rolleyes:

Depends on your point of view. We are just ants in comparison to God, being given the opportunity to evolve into a god-like being at some point in the future (likely millions of years from now). You are welcome to refuse to do as God asks, but you'll never be anything more than you are.

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Ants are not sentient beings. Humans are. There is no comparison. If your god doesn't care about the rape and murder of sentient beings he is not worthy of consideration.

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Ants are not sentient beings. Humans are. There is no comparison. If your god doesn't care about the rape and murder of sentient beings he is not worthy of consideration.

just me,

Clearly you missed the point of the comparison, but that is no surprise. You lack any imagination or comprehension, so you have no idea what I'm talking about. It is amusing watching someone like you fumble around on this forum with no clue about what is going on.

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