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I would like to see the wider data. My guess would be that those states where sexual material is harder to come by, such as states in the Bible Belt, you'd probably see more hits on such sexually explicit searches. I don't think it has much to do with being LDS or not (I would suspect that there isn't a huge difference in the percentages among LDS and non-LDS who view porn); I suspect that both Mormon and non-Mormon Utahns are likelier to view internet porn because that's one of the few sexual outlets available to them.

It's just a hunch, but I would bet money that the statistics tend in that direction.


I appreciate this kind of non-accusatory, non-agenda-driven, rational analysis. And, while it may very well be correct, I wonder if the statistic in question may also be a function of proportional internet access. I am not sure of current statistics, but in recent years, Utah has ranked among the top states in computer/internet access. A greater proportional access to the internet could contribute to a greater proportional access to porn on the internet.

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Like I said, it's the non-Mormons. That will always be the TBM stance.

Perfect example of sinlessness: Wade. He's never been married, abstains from sex like a good temple going Mormon...has no desire to look at a woman's body outside the sanctity of marriage...

See, y'all? It's the non-LDS out there in Utah. With the absence of brothels, strip bars, sex in alleys, etc...they have to resort to the internet. Unlike the rest of us out here in "the world".

Please excuse me. I have an appointment with my pimp. Sales have been down this month, and he's pissed. Usually people are far more "jolly" this time of year. I told him the economy was unstable and to get off my back.


Just to clarify, you are putting words into my mouth. I am not the one jumping to conclusions about who is doing what (I have no idea which segment of the state's population is most responsible for the statistic, nor do I much care. I am have no agenda to promote using the statistic). It is You and Rollo and others here who are doing that. I prefer to avoid that kind of cognitively distored and prejudiced stereotyping, and will leave that to the ironic likes of you.

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Oh, and one more time let me quote Wade. Can anyone see the rediculously childish finger pointing going on here? From a grown man, no less? I am not the one....(blahblahblahblah)....It is you and Rollo....(blahblahblahincessantblah).

Wade, you're so amusing. I could almost honestly say you have a warm spot in my heart. Almost.


Well...at least I gave you the attention you so desparately crave. That should win me at least some welcomed place in your heart.

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Interesting article in the Deseret News (link below) about Internet searches in Utah -- the state leads or nearly leads the nation in searches of ... ahem ... 'less-than-TBM' words (but it also leads in 'very TBM' words!). I always thought the Brethren's apparent obsession in talks about the "evils" of porn was a bit of an overreaction, but maybe they're on to something.

http://www.deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,12 ... 49,00.html


Last I checked, Utah wasn't 100% TBM. In fact, I suspect that TBM's represent about 1/4th of the states population--which is roughly equivolent to the perceptage of UBM's (Untrue Blue Mormons). And roughly half of the population are non-Mormon (including ex-Mormons).

If true, then why are you assuming that the TBM minority are behind the Porn statistics rather than some of your fellow UBM's and ex-Mormons and non-Mormons?


One explanation given by the uber-TBM poster called "Charity" on a recent FAIR thread is that she and other TBMs conduct "research" into pornography via google. I.e., how to deal with it, how to combat it, how to prevent people from viewing it on their home computers, etc.

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Granted, there are sufficient occurances within the Church to warrant leadership interventions (including disfellowship and ex-communications, of which some are now likely numbered among those that are a part of the statistic). But, is it rational to jump to conclusion about internet statistics that relate to the general state population based on several Conference talks and Church messages?


So you're conceding that porn is enough of a significant problem for the Brethren to address it, and yet you want to view the statistics as essentially meaningless?

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I mean...really....is your need to smear the Church so intense that you resort to these kinds of rash and fallacious insinuations? It would be like me insinuating that you are number among the statistics because you live in Utah.

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Well, I believe you told all of us in the Tal Bachman interview thread that you do in fact live in Sandy, Utah. So tell us: have you done an Internet search for "porn" or any of the other items, perhaps as "research" for your CSSAD website? Or for other reasons altogether?


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I would like to see the wider data. My guess would be that those states where sexual material is harder to come by, such as states in the Bible Belt, you'd probably see more hits on such sexually explicit searches. I don't think it has much to do with being LDS or not (I would suspect that there isn't a huge difference in the percentages among LDS and non-LDS who view porn); I suspect that both Mormon and non-Mormon Utahns are likelier to view internet porn because that's one of the few sexual outlets available to them.

It's just a hunch, but I would bet money that the statistics tend in that direction.


I appreciate this kind of non-accusatory, non-agenda-driven, rational analysis. And, while it may very well be correct, I wonder if the statistic in question may also be a function of proportional internet access. I am not sure of current statistics, but in recent years, Utah has ranked among the top states in computer/internet access. A greater proportional access to the internet could contribute to a greater proportional access to porn on the internet.


I think your math is a bit off, Wade. Or else your wording. In either case your assertion here does little to undo the fact that members of the "most precious and dear" thing in your life are viewing porn in pretty large doses.


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One explanation given by the uber-TBM poster called "Charity" on a recent FAIR thread is that she and other TBMs conduct "research" into pornography via google. I.e., how to deal with it, how to combat it, how to prevent people from viewing it on their home computers, etc.


I would say that is a false assumption on Charity's part if she did say that. Too many 'experts'. This is the problem with the sugar coating many LDS engage in. We can't come to a determination of the truth nor innoculate ourselves against the evils of the world by so doing. Just the facts ma'am.

I will say that it is quite easy to inadvertently get to porn sites if you are not careful about your email, popups, javascripts and the like. But it still doesn't explain the search terms.


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Like I said, it's the non-Mormons. That will always be the TBM stance.

Perfect example of sinlessness: Wade. He's never been married, abstains from sex like a good temple going Mormon...has no desire to look at a woman's body outside the sanctity of marriage...

See, y'all? It's the non-LDS out there in Utah. With the absence of brothels, strip bars, sex in alleys, etc...they have to resort to the internet. Unlike the rest of us out here in "the world".

Please excuse me. I have an appointment with my pimp. Sales have been down this month, and he's pissed. Usually people are far more "jolly" this time of year. I told him the economy was unstable and to get off my back.


Just to clarify, you are putting words into my mouth. I am not the one jumping to conclusions about who is doing what (I have no idea which segment of the state's population is most responsible for the statistic, nor do I much care. I am have no agenda to promote using the statistic). It is You and Rollo and others here who are doing that. I prefer to avoid that kind of cognitively distored and prejudiced stereotyping, and will leave that to the ironic likes of you.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-


Oh, and one more time let me quote Wade. Can anyone see the rediculously childish finger pointing going on here? From a grown man, no less? I am not the one....(blahblahblahblah)....It is you and Rollo....(blahblahblahincessantblah).

Wade, you're so amusing. I could almost honestly say you have a warm spot in my heart. Almost.


Well...at least I gave you the attention you so desparately crave. That should win me at least some welcomed place in your heart.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-


Wade, unlike you, I have a loving beau in my life. His attention is far more pleasing than your attempts at being Dr. Phil.

I just like to pick with you, as I am still working on ridding myself of my sadistic side. But I'm on vacation today, so I think I'll harass you a little longer...pay me no mind, ROFL.

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I just checked the Deseret News story, and from what I could gather, the statistics are based on Google searches for specific parameters (such as "pornography" and "naughty" and "peda", etc.). This is like trying to determine the number of people who visit strip joints, and how much time the spend there on average, by culling statistic on how many people may have looked up words like "strip" and "joint" in Dex phone books.

Unbelievable!

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I just checked the Deseret News story, and from what I could gather, the statistics are based on Google searches for specific parameters (such as "pornography" and "naughty" and "peda", etc.). This is like trying to determine the number of people who visit strip joints, and how much time the spend there on average, by culling statistic on how many people may have looked up words like "strip" and "joint" in Dex phone books.

Unbelievable!

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Interesting that you went into denial mode before you even looked at the article.

The methodology is what it is. I think it's pretty clear what people are looking for when they type "hot sex" and "naked girls."


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I just checked the Deseret News story, and from what I could gather, the statistics are based on Google searches for specific parameters (such as "pornography" and "naughty" and "peda", etc.). This is like trying to determine the number of people who visit strip joints, and how much time the spend there on average, by culling statistic on how many people may have looked up words like "strip" and "joint" in Dex phone books.

Unbelievable!

Thanks, -Wade Englund-


Interesting that you went into denial mode before you even looked at the article.

The methodology is what it is. I think it's pretty clear what people are looking for when they type "hot sex" and "naked girls."


Wade goes into denial before he sets foot in here, what you talking about?

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Runtu wrote:
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I just checked the Deseret News story, and from what I could gather, the statistics are based on Google searches for specific parameters (such as "pornography" and "naughty" and "peda", etc.). This is like trying to determine the number of people who visit strip joints, and how much time the spend there on average, by culling statistic on how many people may have looked up words like "strip" and "joint" in Dex phone books.

Unbelievable!

Thanks, -Wade Englund-


Interesting that you went into denial mode before you even looked at the article.

The methodology is what it is. I think it's pretty clear what people are looking for when they type "hot sex" and "naked girls."


I don't know about you, but I was only studying for my art history and human sexuality finals.

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Runtu wrote:
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I just checked the Deseret News story, and from what I could gather, the statistics are based on Google searches for specific parameters (such as "pornography" and "naughty" and "peda", etc.). This is like trying to determine the number of people who visit strip joints, and how much time the spend there on average, by culling statistic on how many people may have looked up words like "strip" and "joint" in Dex phone books.

Unbelievable!

Thanks, -Wade Englund-


Interesting that you went into denial mode before you even looked at the article.

The methodology is what it is. I think it's pretty clear what people are looking for when they type "hot sex" and "naked girls."


I don't know about you, but I was only studying for my art history and human sexuality finals.

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ROTFL!

Of course you were! ;)


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Runtu wrote:
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I just checked the Deseret News story, and from what I could gather, the statistics are based on Google searches for specific parameters (such as "pornography" and "naughty" and "peda", etc.). This is like trying to determine the number of people who visit strip joints, and how much time the spend there on average, by culling statistic on how many people may have looked up words like "strip" and "joint" in Dex phone books.

Unbelievable!

Thanks, -Wade Englund-


Interesting that you went into denial mode before you even looked at the article.

The methodology is what it is. I think it's pretty clear what people are looking for when they type "hot sex" and "naked girls."


I don't know about you, but I was only studying for my art history and human sexuality finals.

Bond


ROTFL!

Of course you were! ;)


I think the real question is why did I take classes I aced the first time three times in a row ;)

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Because you were a smart man, and only sought to engrave your knowledge in stone.

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• Fifth in the nation for searches regarding "incest."
• Seventh for searches on "child pornography."
• Eighth for searches on "sex."
• Tenth for searches on "pedo," short for pedophile.


So what are these even more decadent cities in the US that rank higher than Salt Lake City? Can they be linked to other religious groups, or would that defeat the general interest since they are not Mormon?

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I do want to know what the #1 city for searches on pedophiles is, so I can never move there and have children.

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The only way to determine the religious affiliation of those involved in child porn would be to view the conviction records:

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What all that data add up to is that the FBI and the Internet Crimes Against Children Task Force from the Utah Attorney General's Office are both very, very busy.
The Salt Lake office of the FBI, which also covers Idaho and Montana, is tops in the nation for the number of arrests, indictments and convictions, Ross said.


That's if "religion" is known and recorded. Utah is also number one in searches for "Jesus", "chocolate" and "home recipes". I would say the latter two are frequented by females mainly. Only a guess.


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Utah is also number one in searches for "Jesus", "chocolate" and "home recipes". I would say the latter two are frequented by females mainly. Only a guess.

Huh. I'm a man. I like chocolate. I search on it when I give it to women as a present.

Just like generalizations about the porn stuff -- we may not understand the reasons.

(by the way: I just assume I am the #1 contributor to the chocolate searches -- and the porn searches...but I don't know for sure.)

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(by the way: I just assume I am the #1 contributor to the chocolate searches -- and the porn searches...but I don't know for sure.)

Isn't that something like click fraud? Trying to generate embarassing statistics for Utah and all.

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(by the way: I just assume I am the #1 contributor to the chocolate searches -- and the porn searches...but I don't know for sure.)


Is chocolate your aphrodisiac?


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I just checked the Deseret News story, and from what I could gather, the statistics are based on Google searches for specific parameters (such as "pornography" and "naughty" and "peda", etc.). This is like trying to determine the number of people who visit strip joints, and how much time the spend there on average, by culling statistic on how many people may have looked up words like "strip" and "joint" in Dex phone books.

Unbelievable!

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Interesting that you went into denial mode before you even looked at the article.

The methodology is what it is. I think it's pretty clear what people are looking for when they type "hot sex" and "naked girls."


I am not sure why you imagine I went into supposed denial mode before looking at the article. Perhaps you confuse critical analysis or commonsensical objections with denial. I don't know. Perhaps you could let me what it is you think I was in denial about?

Anyway, your comment above seems to miss my point. While nothing I said could reasonably be interpreted as suggesting otherwise, the specified search parameters may be relatively unambiguous as to what people may be searching for in those specified cases at Google. However, my point was, that those search parameters can, at best, tell us what parameters are being searched most commonly by people per state at Google. They don't tell us how many people searched those same parameters at Yahoo and a multitude of other search engines. They don't provide us with a statistical aggrigate of all porn related search parameter--only a select few. They don't tell us how many clicks were made based on those selectr search parameters. They don't tell us how extensively (in terms of frequency and duration) people may have visited the various porn sites that may be listed under the search results. They don't tell us how many people are viewing the computer that entered the search parameter. They don't tell us how many people find porn sites without using Google each time, let alone at all, and so on and so forth. In other word, the statistics are not a reasonable or accurate gage of internet porn use. In fact, they are as poor an indicator as trying to determine the number of people who visit strip joints, and how much time the spend there on average, by culling statistic on how many people may have looked up words like "strip" and "joint" in Dex phone books.

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Wade goes into denial before he sets foot in here, what you talking about?



There has got to be a way to equate all this porn searching to Anti-Semitism. Hopefully Wade will tell us how.


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