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 Post subject: Re: for what it's worth, my review of Greg Smith's "review" of Mormon Stori
PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 10:21 am 
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I've listened to many podcasts, and I don't recall hearing anything factual or historical that I hadn't already heard somewhere else. Why the podcasts are so invaluable is because the topics are discussed by real current or former members (most the time -- some non-Mormons were interviewed) in a natural way that does not include judgments, unlike what I often find on pro-Mormon and anti-Mormon sites. Podcasts on Mormon Stories seem "safe" for anyone to hear, active or ex-Mormon alike, without fear of being judged. And I think the Brethren are very interested in John's work -- they have already reviewed the data from his survey of why members are leaving. John addresses issues that the Brethren care about, so I don't think that's damaging at all.


Well said, Rollo. The truth of the matter is that it is those who have an agenda who read what they want to into John's podcasts. Mormon Stories was designed as a forum for people on all sides of Mormon issues to tell their own stories. Anti-Mormons and apologists tend to take way from Mormon Stories whatever they can use to serve their own agenda. An honest listen to a healthy percentage of the whole, when done with an informed viewpoint regarding the purpose of the podcasts, does not reveal an intention to harm the LDS Church. It is, rather, to let people tell their stories. It is healthy for all Mormons to know what those different stories are. You may not agree with the speaker, but the person and the issue have now been humanized and personalized in a way that they were not before.

I found this to be the case when I heard the Daniel Peterson interview. I found him a very sympathetic fellow in that podcast. What an ironic situation.


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I'm so glad we have faithful, active members of the Church like Why Me who are here to set the infidels straight. Instead of wolves in sheep's clothing like Dehlin, we need righteous Latter-day Saints like Why Me, who can give faith-promoting, spiritual advice to the struggling member.

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Say, Why Me, not to change the subject, but tell the board again how non-married people dry humping in their underwear is not only a great idea, it's also totally acceptable under the law of chastity.


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The critics showed their true colors on this one: censors.


Did Why Me ever decide he was going to provide any evidence at all for this ongoing assertion?

Also, I want to remind everyone that Why Me is a stalwart defender of the faith.

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Much better to quench the addiction by paying for non-exploitive porn. One site seems very nice with the owner even quoting philosophers, writers etc when she posts her messages to the members which everyone can read. She makes the subscribers feel like they are a big family and important to her and her husband.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 10:43 am 
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Thank you Rollo for the excellent write-up. I love that your comments are being circulated far and wide.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 10:45 am 
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Well, Rollo I am surprise at your level of naïveté.

Me, too. I thought I was pretty worldly.

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John is a masterful chameleon When he talks to anti's; he agrees with them, when he talks with pro's he agrees with them. Sorry, I but not may of us conduct my business affairs like that.

We all talk differently depending on the audience. For example, what I say from the pulpit is generally a bit different than what I post here. Different audiences, different places. But I feel I'm being just as honest with both.

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Bottom line is; (perhaps you missed it); John flooded the Podcast waves with incalculable damaging information. How can you say he is not damaged the cause of Church? Any publicity like Johns is a huge negative, especially Church's Missionary program....

This is where I disagree with you. I've listened to many podcasts, and I don't recall hearing anything factual or historical that I hadn't already heard somewhere else. Why the podcasts are so invaluable is because the topics are discussed by real current or former members (most the time -- some non-Mormons were interviewed) in a natural way that does not include judgments, unlike what I often find on pro-Mormon and anti-Mormon sites. Podcasts on Mormon Stories seem "safe" for anyone to hear, active or ex-Mormon alike, without fear of being judged. And I think the Brethren are very interested in John's work -- they have already reviewed the data from his survey of why members are leaving. John addresses issues that the Brethren care about, so I don't think that's damaging at all.

Whether I agree or disagree with you Rollo,
I like your posts, I'm just pessimistic & skeptical on my outlooks at issues John presents, what kinda agenda he has.

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Now having completed reading the review, I liked the last part even better than the first, by which I mean I found the last parts more damning to Smith's scholastic approach; especially the part where he sets himself up as Dehlin's ecclesiastical leader.

What on earth were they thinking having something like this in a purportedly scholarly review?

And given the fact that Dehlin had quite publicly reaffiliated himself with the LDS Church before the publication of the hit piece, it comes across even more as attacking the faith and credentials of a fellow Mormon.

I am more clearly seeing the wisdom in the GA's putting the kibosh on this piece, and am starting to think the publication of this piece in the MI in spite of the GA's admonitions may have been the determing factor in Bill Hamblin's sudden "resignation" as editor in chief.

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I wonder how long it will take with the level of attention this thread is pulling, before the madpologist club desides to send an emmisary to derail it. Surely one of the lords henchemen has a sockpuppet that can be revived for this special occation.

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I wonder how long it will take with the level of attention this thread is pulling, before the madpologist club desides to send an emmisary to derail it. Surely one of the lords henchemen has a sockpuppet that can be revived for this special occation.


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Now having completed reading the review, I liked the last part even better than the first, by which I mean I found the last parts more damning to Smith's scholastic approach; especially the part where he sets himself up as Dehlin's ecclesiastical leader.

What on earth were they thinking having something like this in a purportedly scholarly review?

And given the fact that Dehlin had quite publicly reaffiliated himself with the LDS Church before the publication of the hit piece, it comes across even more as attacking the faith and credentials of a fellow Mormon.


Nothing new and different there. Last guy's name was Meldrum.

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Where is John being attacked?
You have got to be kidding. I know you read over on MAD. If John hasn't been attacked, what do you call it (in the numerous threads about him over there)?


Rollo,
Your review is outstanding and very revealing. Thank you for taking the time to comb through Smith's piece and write your own excellent review.

I hope people here and elsewhere will read it. I see that they are already discussing it over on the other board.


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I see that they are already discussing it over on the other board.

Yes, and the Mods over there have already stopped someone who had tried to link to it over here, saying this place has "inappropriate content." Classic.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 11:40 am 
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Yes, and the Mods over there have already stopped someone who had tried to link to it over here, saying this place has "inappropriate content." Classic.


uh...are you saying by their standards it doesn't have inappropriate content? I beleive the complaint is temple content which is a big no no over there. So are you saying that's not true by putting that phrase in quotations?

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uh...are you saying by their standards it doesn't have inappropriate content? I beleive the complaint is temple content which is a big no no over there. So are you saying that's not true by putting that phrase in quotations?

Any temple content is not in this forum, where my review exists. So there's no reason someone can't come to this forum (i.e., the "Terrestrial Forum") and read my review without fear of seeing temple content.

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I see that they are already discussing it over on the other board.

Yes, and the Mods over there have already stopped someone who had tried to link to it over here, saying this place has "inappropriate content." Classic.

I saw the link before it was removed by the mods and it was to the Mormon Curtain website. Do they allow posting a link to this forum over there?


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Yes, and the Mods over there have already stopped someone who had tried to link to it over here, saying this place has "inappropriate content." Classic.


there is no chance it is going up over there.

will peggy fletcher stack do a follow up after the piece was published, and hamblin left the interpreter?

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/54358 ... n.html.csp

^^^^^ is her report about the dispatching of peterson from the review. this article does say he was 'fired'. he does still have a job, that is true. why me is still a horse's ass, also true.

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Rollo,

May I have your permission to repost this on my blog or one of my websites? I'm trying to put together a single location that contains information on the Dehlin affair -- including the actual essays and intelligent responses such as your OP.

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it is okay to read at the trailerpark, and to talk about the trailerpark, and it is even okay for DCP's biggest supporters to post on this thread, but golly, do not let anyone read an unfiltered review of Smith's work.

typical double standards. that heavy handed moderation must be a ____ to manage.

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May I have your permission to repost this on my blog or one of my websites? I'm trying to put together a single location that contains information on the Dehlin affair -- including the actual essays and intelligent responses such as your OP.

Feel free.

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Yes, and the Mods over there have already stopped someone who had tried to link to it over here, saying this place has "inappropriate content." Classic.

I saw the link before it was removed by the mods and it was to the Mormon Curtain website. Do they allow posting a link to this forum over there?

I thought it was to over here, so it appears I was wrong. Thanks for the correction.

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Any temple content is not in this forum, where my review exists. So there's no reason someone can't come to this forum (i.e., the "Terrestrial Forum") and read my review without fear of seeing temple content.


That wasn't my question. But I too think people can come here and read it.

I'll attempt to rephrase. Mormon Dialogue & Discussion Board has a policy to not link to sites that containt temple content or other inappropriate content. This site has temple content and other vulgar and salacious content that they deem inappropriate so they abide by the policy not to link to this site. Are you saying their stated policy does not apply to this site?

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Rollo,

Simply post your review of the review over there, if you want people to read it. Many folks don't venture over here because it is ridiculously hostile here.

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