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 Post subject: Re: Let Women Pray in General Conference | Facebook
PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 1:50 am 
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By the way why do you mock and bash feminists?


Who's mocking? And who is bashing? I think that there are much more important issues out there for former LDS women and LDS women to be concerned with. And they should see the big picture. Pants day was nonsensical since women can wear pants to church if they wish. And the biege shirt day was nonsensical. One can wear a color shirt if they wish. I do it all the time without any problems.

The Mormon and catholic church are similiar with their truth claims. Both churches rely on a higher authority to guide the church. They are not depended on the whims of the world. And both churches take heat because of it. Why aren't women allowed more say in the catholic church? When will we have a woman pope? Why aren't there any women cardinals? See my point?

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 1:53 am 
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why me STFU.

Why me wants to see thin soft cotton at general conference day. Bras are not required.

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why me STFU.

Why me wants to see thin soft cotton at general conference day. Bras are not required.


I don't mind women wearing light cotton to church at all. Rather nice in the summer.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 2:06 am 
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why me STFU.

Why me wants to see thin soft cotton at general conference day. Bras are not required.


I don't mind women wearing light cotton to church at all. Rather nice in the summer.


Would you like to see them not wear bras?

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:30 am 
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and finally, in 2047, a woman will say the opening prayer in General Conference.
2047?

O, most wicked speed, to post. With such dexterity...

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 6:17 am 
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Would you like to see them not wear bras?


Why not? However, there should still be modesty. Likewise for the men. No reason for a muscle show.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 8:01 am 
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cafe crema wrote:

By the way why do you mock and bash feminists?


Who's mocking? And who is bashing? I think that there are much more important issues out there for former LDS women and LDS women to be concerned with. And they should see the big picture. Pants day was nonsensical since women can wear pants to church if they wish. And the biege shirt day was nonsensical. One can wear a color shirt if they wish. I do it all the time without any problems.

You are mocking and bashing.

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The Mormon and catholic church are similiar with their truth claims. Both churches rely on a higher authority to guide the church. They are not depended on the whims of the world. And both churches take heat because of it. Why aren't women allowed more say in the catholic church? When will we have a woman pope? Why aren't there any women cardinals? See my point?


And the men in both churches can ask for guidance on these issues, but why should they if the women who are hurting don't make their feelings known?


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 8:16 am 
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cafe crema wrote:
You are mocking and bashing.

And the men in both churches can ask for guidance on these issues, but why should they if the women who are hurting don't make their feelings known?


Hardly. The bashing of Joseph Smith on the catholic taliban site is severe and the mocking of the Mormon church is hostile.

Saying that a facebook petition is nonsense is not bashing it is an opinion.

True about the guidance. But the petition does not state that. It is a petition to get a change in policy not for leaders to ask for guidance over the issue.

Lets have a petition about having honorary women cardinals so that women can also have a say in catholic church policy. Would you sign it?

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 8:36 am 
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why me wrote:
cafe crema wrote:
You are mocking and bashing.

And the men in both churches can ask for guidance on these issues, but why should they if the women who are hurting don't make their feelings known?


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Hardly. The bashing of Joseph Smith on the catholic taliban site is severe and the mocking of the Mormon church is hostile.

Saying that a facebook petition is nonsense is not bashing it is an opinion.

By calling it nonsense you are belittling the feelings and experiences of these women, that makes it mocking and bashing.

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True about the guidance. But the petition does not state that. It is a petition to get a change in policy not for leaders to ask for guidance over the issue.

Lets have a petition about having honorary women cardinals so that women can also have a say in catholic church policy. Would you sign it?


I don't see any reason to sign a petition for women having the title of "honorary cardinal" what ever that is, an actual cardinal sure, but they'd have to have women ordained first. There is a lot of agitation for that in the ranks of the Catholic church and I'm fine with that agitation.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 8:41 am 
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It's ironic that the decision about wether women can pray in General Conference will be made solely by men...

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 11:57 am 
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It's ironic that the decision about wether women can pray in General Conference will be made solely by men...

Wrong. It will be made by The Lord ©. It will merely be revealed to everyone else not in the sacred (not secret) chamber at the time The Lord © appeared to grant this boon, by the aforementioned men.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 2:23 pm 
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If women can give prayers in the local meetings why hasn't one given a prayer in general conference? Tis a valid question.

My guess is that they're waiting for the Lord to tell them that this ought to happen. Naturally, they'll be waiting forever.

At last, upon sufficient public pressure, one of the Big 15 will get this wild hair and ask the others why they don't just get together, pray to the Lord, inform Him that they have this idea to let women pray in Conference and would he please chime in on it. Afterwards they'll look around at each other and say hey, I feel pretty good about it, how about you? They'll reach some critical mass of agreement, and then tears will be shed, hearts will be touched, and legends of revelations great and marvelous will be born, and finally, in 2047, a woman will say the opening prayer in General Conference.

Isn't it wonderful? Isn't it marvelous?


RIGHT ON THE MONEY. Sounds familar - AKA revelation to end polygamy, revelation to end the ban on blacks having the priesthood...


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 10:43 pm 
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The Church has "responded."

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The LDS Church sent a statement Wednesday in response to the campaign. It reads:

“Decisions on speakers and prayers at General Conference were made several weeks ago and assignments were given to the men and women involved last week. Customarily, details of the conference programs are not announced until General Conference.”

http://fox13now.com/2013/01/17/campaign-calls-for-lds-church-to-let-women-pray/

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 10:58 pm 
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The Church has "responded."

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The LDS Church sent a statement Wednesday in response to the campaign. It reads:

“Decisions on speakers and prayers at General Conference were made several weeks ago and assignments were given to the men and women involved last week. Customarily, details of the conference programs are not announced until General Conference.”

http://fox13now.com/2013/01/17/campaign-calls-for-lds-church-to-let-women-pray/

Lame.

And the church punts. Lame indeed.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 11:36 am 
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Well that's the biggest non-reponse I've seen. You might as well said nothing. I don't know, the least you could do is actually explain why you women don't pray in general conference. That doesn't seem like too much to ask.
Perhaps some unofficial church apologist can come up with a reason. God knows that's the only "answers" we get these days. Speculative third party responses.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 12:48 pm 
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The Church has "responded."

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The LDS Church sent a statement Wednesday in response to the campaign. It reads:

“Decisions on speakers and prayers at General Conference were made several weeks ago and assignments were given to the men and women involved last week. Customarily, details of the conference programs are not announced until General Conference.”

http://fox13now.com/2013/01/17/campaign-calls-for-lds-church-to-let-women-pray/

Lame.

Lame indeed. Are they trying to say that prayer assignments are set in stone for a conference that won't happen for 3 months?


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It is amazing to watch this unfold. This type of movement seems unprecedented: Many faithful LDS members asking for change as an organized group. They remain protected from church discipline due to the visibility of the movement. There are now over 750 likes on the Facebook page. Granted, many of those are likely not TBM, but we are not talking about a rogue group of apostates here.

Of course, you get the criticisms like this from inside the group as well:
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"Fellow sisters in the gospel, The gospel is not up for a vote! We are involved in meetings! We have our Relief Society and Young Women and Primary leaders speak to us all the time! Why are you so hung up on this small and unimportant thing? This is how apostasy begins ladies...be humble. Our leaders will let us know if they want us to pray in a general session. The prophet is lead by our Heavenly Father; and I think Heavenly Father would let our Prophet know if He wanted us to pray in a general session. Be grateful that the men of the Priesthood are willing to offer prayers in our behalf!"


And this reply, which I like:

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Also, I forgot my favorite part of this OP: The church is up for a vote. They ask for a vote every six months at General Conference and every six months at Stake Conference, and every year at ward conference. We sustain our leaders - don't you think they should hear from us too??

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:49 pm 
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Lame indeed. Are they trying to say that prayer assignments are set in stone for a conference that won't happen for 3 months?


I suspect that most of what constitutes inspiration and revelation is set in stone months in advance.

The problem, from the Brethren's perspective, isn't that it's already set in stone. The problem is that they're being publically taken to task, and they don't like it one bit. It will now be at least another 10 years before they even consider the idea. The older generation will die off, and then we may see some changes. Until then... "it's set in stone".

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 3:03 am 
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It will now be at least another 10 years before they even consider the idea.
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35. And the children of Israel did eat manna forty years, until they came to a land inhabited; they did eat manna, until they came unto the borders of the land of Canaan.



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The older generation will die off, and then we may see some changes.
It happened faster in the era of Moses... They didn't even wash their hands. There were no bacteria in the Book.

And there is no manna. Only Mc~ things.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 1:36 am 
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According to the internet:

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Sources from within the COB have confirmed to me that after several months of heated pressure from activists and outsiders alike, the church will finally allow a woman to give a prayer at conference. In addition to the closing prayer of the first session, a woman will also be permitted to give the opening prayer of the closing session.

I cannot and will not reveal my source in this matter, but it may also drop soon in the SL Trib, though the church is being careful with how they make the information available, as they wish to avoid as best they can any connections to the recent feminists movements calling for change.

http://www.reddit.com/r/exmormon/comments/1absny/shocker_confirmed_a_woman_will_give_the_closing/


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 4:30 am 
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Sources from within the COB have confirmed to me that after several months of heated pressure from activists and outsiders alike, the church will finally allow a woman to give a prayer at conference. In addition to the closing prayer of the first session, a woman will also be permitted to give the opening prayer of the closing session.

I cannot and will not reveal my source in this matter, but it may also drop soon in the SL Trib, though the church is being careful with how they make the information available, as they wish to avoid as best they can any connections to the recent feminists movements calling for change.

I really hope this is true. If the church lets women pray in Conference, that will make for two positive, visible changes in favor of women in the past year (letting sisters serve missions at age 19 being the other one).

I don't think the church should be ashamed of ties to the recent feminist movements. Faithful members pointed out an arbitrary and sexist policy. If the church listens and changes that policy, it will be a good thing, not a bad.

However, I'm going to exercise skepticism towards these rumors until I actually see it.

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