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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 1:22 pm 
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Well, let me put it this way: during the last three months, we had 'wear a biege shirt day' to church for a protest, 'wear pants day to church' for a protest and now a facebook page about women giving the opening and closing prayer at general conference. People need to get a life.


What if their life is the church?

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 1:39 pm 
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People need to get a life. The economy is in the toilet. People are suffering throughout the world because of no work and exploitation. Many are poor without a pot to crap in...and we have this.

You're right. There are just too many things out there that need our attention. We should stop going to silly churches like the Mormons. It's a waste of time and resources that could be repurposed to improving our economy.

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However, the good news is that Mormonism has made its mark and is now a frontline church and so, it must put up with nonsense as any other mainline church.

The Mormon church is just as made-up and invented as every other church out there. It's finally being treated as just as made-up as the Catholics and everyone else. You've come a long way baby!

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I think that exmormons and mad hatters are attempting to nitpick their way through Mormonism. In truth, they would never be satisfied. There will always be something to moan and groan about. It is endless, never ending.

You're right. I will never be satisfied with answers to problems in Mormonism because Mormonism isn't true. It's made-up. It's an invention of man. And there's just too much evidence that demonstrates or supports this. So as long as the church exists, you're right, there will always be reasons to object to it.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 3:50 pm 
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If women can give prayers in the local meetings why hasn't one given a prayer in general conference? Tis a valid question.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 3:55 pm 
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If women can give prayers in the local meetings why hasn't one given a prayer in general conference? Tis a valid question.

My guess is that they're waiting for the Lord to tell them that this ought to happen. Naturally, they'll be waiting forever.

At last, upon sufficient public pressure, one of the Big 15 will get this wild hair and ask the others why they don't just get together, pray to the Lord, inform Him that they have this idea to let women pray in Conference and would he please chime in on it. Afterwards they'll look around at each other and say hey, I feel pretty good about it, how about you? They'll reach some critical mass of agreement, and then tears will be shed, hearts will be touched, and legends of revelations great and marvelous will be born, and finally, in 2047, a woman will say the opening prayer in General Conference.

Isn't it wonderful? Isn't it marvelous?

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You're right. I will never be satisfied with answers to problems in Mormonism because Mormonism isn't true. It's made-up. It's an invention of man. And there's just too much evidence that demonstrates or supports this.


Pascal's wager? We will all be that much smarter when we die. Nice to place a bet and see what happens.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 4:29 pm 
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why me wrote:

Well, let me put it this way: during the last three months, we had 'wear a biege shirt day' to church for a protest, 'wear pants day to church' for a protest and now a facebook page about women giving the opening and closing prayer at general conference. People need to get a life.


What if their life is the church?


They need to get another life. If this is what they are concerned about, it is time to move on to a more liberal church. But really, pants day, biege shrit day, facebook protest etc.....it gets a little immature after a while. Sort of like brainstorming for more nutty protest ideas.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 4:30 pm 
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Pascal was Mormon?

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mmm.... The phrase "slippery slope" comes to mind. This kind of trend is scary stuff for those old ____ dinosaurs....err... I mean the Brethren.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 4:33 pm 
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consiglieri wrote:
What if their life is the church?


They need to get another life.


So Mormons who question LDS practices should just up and get out?

That sounds extreme, especially when your every other post deals with speaking your mind in church meetings.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 5:04 pm 
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Peggy Stack has picked it up: http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/blogsfaithblog/55627824-180/women-general-church-conference.html.csp

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After creating a national buzz with its "Wear Pants to Church Day," the same group of Mormon feminists has launched a letter-writing campaign to LDS leaders called "Let Women Pray in General Conference."

"While women hold important positions within the church, a woman has never given the opening or closing prayer at General Conference," it says on the website created by the group, All Enlisted. "We ask that women be given the opportunity to pray in General Conference, as a symbol of equality within our church."

The site notes that women were not invited to speak in the Utah-based church’s twice-yearly meeting — now beamed to millions of Mormons worldwide — until 1984. But, in 1978, then-President Spencer W. Kimball issued a statement allowing women to pray in their local congregations.

"There is no scriptural prohibition against sisters offering prayers," Kimball said in a First Presidency statement, and it is "permissible for sisters to offer prayers in any meetings they attend."

All Enlisted is urging members to write to various Mormon leaders, including Linda K. Burton, Relief Society president; Elaine S. Dalton, Young Women general president; Rosemary M. Wixom, Primary general president; Jeffrey R. Holland, Quorum of Twelve Apostles; and David F. Evans and Anthony D. Perkins, members of the First Quorum of the Seventy.

People can also sign a petition at the website, asking the authorities to invite a woman to pray at the April 2013 General Conference.

The LDS Church had no immediate comment.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 5:08 pm 
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Peggy Stack has picked it up: http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/blogsfaithblog/55627824-180/women-general-church-conference.html.csp

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After creating a national buzz with its "Wear Pants to Church Day," the same group of Mormon feminists has launched a letter-writing campaign to LDS leaders called "Let Women Pray in General Conference."

"While women hold important positions within the church, a woman has never given the opening or closing prayer at General Conference," it says on the website created by the group, All Enlisted. "We ask that women be given the opportunity to pray in General Conference, as a symbol of equality within our church."

The site notes that women were not invited to speak in the Utah-based church’s twice-yearly meeting — now beamed to millions of Mormons worldwide — until 1984. But, in 1978, then-President Spencer W. Kimball issued a statement allowing women to pray in their local congregations.

"There is no scriptural prohibition against sisters offering prayers," Kimball said in a First Presidency statement, and it is "permissible for sisters to offer prayers in any meetings they attend."

All Enlisted is urging members to write to various Mormon leaders, including Linda K. Burton, Relief Society president; Elaine S. Dalton, Young Women general president; Rosemary M. Wixom, Primary general president; Jeffrey R. Holland, Quorum of Twelve Apostles; and David F. Evans and Anthony D. Perkins, members of the First Quorum of the Seventy.

People can also sign a petition at the website, asking the authorities to invite a woman to pray at the April 2013 General Conference.

The LDS Church had no immediate comment.


My point confirmed. Same group of women who have nothing better to do with their lives. Lets brainstorm and find something to moan about types. Pathetic.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 5:13 pm 
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So Mormons who question LDS practices should just up and get out?

That sounds extreme, especially when your every other post deals with speaking your mind in church meetings.

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My point was simple: time for some maturity which these women do not have.

Pants day did not work so....what to do now?....oh...lets try this....maybe this will have legs...and if not...lets brainstorm for other ideas....we LDS feminists (Most likely most have left the LDS church) need to put our feet down....against male LDS patriarchy.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 5:20 pm 
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"There is no scriptural prohibition against sisters offering prayers," Kimball said in a First Presidency statement....

Unless you count 1 Corinthians 14:34: "Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law."

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Same group of women who have nothing better to do with their lives. Lets brainstorm and find something to moan about types. Pathetic.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 5:25 pm 
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My point was simple: time for some maturity which these women do not have.

Pants day did not work so....what to do now?....oh...lets try this....maybe this will have legs...and if not...lets brainstorm for other ideas....we LDS feminists (Most likely most have left the LDS church) need to put our feet down....against male LDS patriarchy.



Is it your position the "mature" thing to do is nothing?

And if Pants-Day did not work, why are we talking about it?

And why are others talking about it?

At a minimum, it obtained an official dispensation from the LDS Church that it is fine for women to wear pants to church.

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Have to wonder at the foolishness of leaders that allow something this petty to become an issue at all. The prayers of women aren't as good as those of the men?

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 7:49 pm 
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You're right. I will never be satisfied with answers to problems in Mormonism because Mormonism isn't true. It's made-up. It's an invention of man. And there's just too much evidence that demonstrates or supports this.

Pascal's wager? We will all be that much smarter when we die. Nice to place a bet and see what happens.

Are you sacrificing children? No? Aren't you worried that you might die and find out that Molech or Baal were in fact the right answer?

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Peggy Stack has picked it up: http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/blogsfaithblog/55627824-180/women-general-church-conference.html.csp

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The LDS Church had no immediate comment.


and what can they possibly say? i can't even imagine.

with a policy this out of the Christian & American mainstream, it really ought to get the Bott treatment -- we don't know when or why this folk doctrine started, blah, blah, we vehemently reject sexism, etc etc. but for that response to be taken even a little seriously, they need to have first ended the practice. so what can they say?


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consiglieri wrote:

So Mormons who question LDS practices should just up and get out?

That sounds extreme, especially when your every other post deals with speaking your mind in church meetings.

All the Best!

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My point was simple: time for some maturity which these women do not have.

Pants day did not work so....what to do now?....oh...lets try this....maybe this will have legs...and if not...lets brainstorm for other ideas....we LDS feminists (Most likely most have left the LDS church) need to put our feet down....against male LDS patriarchy.


Why shouldn't they speak out against the variety of ways they feel marginalized by the LDS church, using what ever methods they feel are appropriate and with which they are comfortable? If people feel they are not treated well should they remain silent just because others are fine with the situation? In what way would the women who don't care about praying at general conference be harmed if those who want to are allowed to do so? What is wrong with asking for change? And just because they fail the first time why should they give up, persistence is considered a virtue in other situations, why not with these women's unmet grievances?

By the way why do you mock and bash feminists?


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Have to wonder at the foolishness of leaders that allow something this petty to become an issue at all. The prayers of women aren't as good as those of the men?


Its not an issue at all. People can make an issue out of anything they wish to make an issue out of. But it doesn't make it an issue.

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