Hey guys I know most people only read the Terrestrial forum but I'd like to draw people's attention to the Celestial forum where is there is some genuine debate going on that is also civil. Although I might disagree with one side or another I must say that I actually pop up there and read quite a bit. Just a heads up that the Celestial kingdom isn't just the place where Droopy posts his attack threads before they are correctly moved to Off-Topic or Telestial. Pop up there and interact a bit...it'll be good for your health.