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 Post subject: Re: Brian Hale's FAIR Presentation on Sexual Polyandry
PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 2:15 pm 
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Hasa Diga Eebowai wrote:
A few people have said the same to me. Everytime I go to check if it is still there I expect them to have deleted it already and everytime I'm shocked by the fact that they still have it on their site.

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I saved a copy for posterity. I also saved a PDF copy of Brian's paper. That thing will kill far more testimonies than it will save.


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 Post subject: Re: Brian Hale's FAIR Presentation on Sexual Polyandry
PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 2:51 pm 
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Well, there are some bombshells in the Quinn report. WOW! Fresh stuff, guys!

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 2:53 pm 
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I want a copy of the Quinn article!!!!

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 3:01 pm 
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Just me, It is brilliant.

Well done Quinn.

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Just me, It is brilliant.

Well done Quinn.


It really is.

Does anyone else really really wanna see the journals the church has under lock & key? I want to sooooo baaaaad!

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 Post subject: Re: Brian Hale's FAIR Presentation on Sexual Polyandry
PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 3:42 pm 
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Quinn's response is brilliant. So much for those who say "but where are the children?" To deny that Joseph had sex with most, if not all of his wives, one would have to be an idiot.

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Does anyone else really really wanna see the journals the church has under lock & key? I want to sooooo baaaaad!


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 Post subject: Re: Brian Hale's FAIR Presentation on Sexual Polyandry
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Ok. Somebody send this to me please.

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Sorry people, but I'm a bit slow.

Where are you getting access to that Quinn article you are talking about? Is there a link?

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 5:07 pm 
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I can't imagine Emma's suffering over this issue. She must have believed Joseph when he told her that God had commanded polygamy or she wouldn't have hesitatingly accepted it in a few cases. On the other hand she knew Joseph's history (Fanny Alger anyone?) and probably wondered if he was back to his old ways. Nevertheless she accepted. To call her unstable or a bitch is so completely wrong to me. She put up with a hell of a lot from Joseph that most wives wouldn't. Mine wouldn't.


I don't think Emma believed him when he told her that God commanded polygamy, but what choice did she have? She had to know that a public confrontation with him would destroy both of them. How could she publicly dispute anything he claimed God told him? In the end, the choices made by Emma in Nauvoo all seem to be driven by protecting her position as the prophet's wife and the welfare of her children.


I tend to agree for the most part, FS. I'm not sure if your summation entirely explains her "acquiescence" or not. Until there is more work done on Emma, it's really hard to say and hard even to gauge her "belief" (for lack of a better term). I only know that I emotionally understand the various contradictions of the human heart. But I also know that I understand a lot less about how the human heart deals with religious belief.

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Steelhead and chap, if you PM me your email I will forward it to you. :)

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 7:21 pm 
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My favorite quote from Quinn on the "eternity only" explanation for Joseph's polyandrous marriages is this: "Its palatability as an explanation doesn't make it accurate."

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just me wrote:
Does anyone else really really wanna see the journals the church has under lock & key? I want to sooooo baaaaad!


+1 zillion


No kidding. Now that I've read Quinn's response I feel like they are calling to me. There's gotta be some damn juicy goodness in them!

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 8:32 pm 
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I got my copy of Quinn's paper from Joe Geisner through a site called dropbox. Talk to Joe. I am sure he will give you access.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 9:59 pm 
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I saved a copy for posterity. I also saved a PDF copy of Brian's paper. That thing will kill far more testimonies than it will save.


So you're saving it in the hope that it will "kill more testimonies"?

When and where was your testimony summarily executed?

How do you explain that Quinn himself survived all of this, yet you crumble to pieces at the first ripple.


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I saved a copy for posterity. I also saved a PDF copy of Brian's paper. That thing will kill far more testimonies than it will save.


So you're saving it in the hope that it will "kill more testimonies"?

When and where was your testimony summarily executed?

How do you explain that Quinn himself survived all of this, yet you crumble to pieces at the first ripple.


Ray, tell me which specific drop of water is the one that's going to take out this town:

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 10:07 pm 
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Ray, tell me which specific drop of water is the one that's going to take out this town:


You again? You're an anti-Mormon with zero credibility in my eyes.

Next question from someone with more credibility.


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